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10-06-2014 , 02:42 PM
One hand that I feel I misplayed on the turn. 9 handed in Vegas
EP: reg who talks a lot about his time in Vegas and where the best games are. Plays 5-6 hands every orbit and usually is the one betting. LAG has around $250
MP: Younger chinese guy who also is a reg, based on what EP has mentioned. He plays a lot of pots. more on the aggro side and has around $600.
Hero(Button): TAG with $300. image is solid. not getting out of line

Action:
EP raises to $15, MP calls, I call on the button with K8 spades.
Flop: K64 two spades. EP bets $25, MP raises to $60, I flat, and EP flats.
Turn: 2Spades, checked around to me. WWYD?

obviously its check, or bet. If I bet, how much? Asian guy would raise flop cbet with a set or a bluff. His check on the turn may mean bluff? EP would defend with Kx, no better than kj I assume?
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10-06-2014 , 02:58 PM
Preflop is gross. Super easy fold, imo. I might even fold this in a limped pot on the Button (admittedly nitty), but to a 5% of stacks raise it's not even close, imo.

Flop isn't even great. With this action there's a chance our K/5 outs are no good (or we might have very high RIO), so all we might have is a flush draw. We're only getting about 2:1, so we're going to have to make up about 2 bets when the most obvious draw comes in; are we going to be able to do that? Plus there's still the original raiser to react behind us. I think you could argue for a fold here as well, although it's not as close as preflop.

On the turn, the pot is $225 and we only have $175 left against EP and $225 against MP. With just a PSB left, I think I would just shove. There's a crapload of scare cards that could kill river action (a fourth spade, a 5 or 3 bringing 4-to-a-straight) so I would get it in now.

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10-06-2014 , 03:03 PM
fold pre, shove flop (or fold).
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10-06-2014 , 03:10 PM
I don't see why you need to put in $15 with k8 pre. The button should widen your opening and 3-bet range but shouldn't be forcing you to make unprofitable calls. You're never ahead pre, and if the K hits you could easily still be behind, and when you flop a draw it's never to the nuts.

I would shove the flop because I'm not a fan of calling 1/5 of my stack then folding to a non K/8/. As played shove turn
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10-06-2014 , 03:16 PM
I made a mistake, I had around 170bbs. I agree pre is on the spew side, but i wanted to build history with these villians who play a lot of pots. thanks for the quick replies.
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10-06-2014 , 03:22 PM
Pot is around $230 and your stack is $225. With 2 villains $100 isn't enough to make sure your charging hands with the As and any larger bet obviously commits you to the pot, so just go ahead and shove. Probably fold both villains out a lot, but stack sizes don't leave you any real choice.

Even against a super loose villain playing a 50% range, fold or raise preflop. I would fold K8s once somebody is in the pot. On flop, the raise bloats the pot too much, either fold or shove. With top pair and good flush draw, either is OK. How much I like shoving depends heavily on MP's raising range here and if you have any FE.
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10-06-2014 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by pureplay
I made a mistake, I had around 170bbs. I agree pre is on the spew side, but i wanted to build history with these villians who play a lot of pots. thanks for the quick replies.
You don't do this with hands that are reverse dominated.
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10-06-2014 , 04:57 PM
I would bet $150 with the intention of going allin on the river. I don't think they call you unless they have trips or As draw
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10-06-2014 , 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by pureplay
One hand that I feel I misplayed on the turn. 9 handed in Vegas
EP: reg who talks a lot about his time in Vegas and where the best games are. Plays 5-6 hands every orbit and usually is the one betting. LAG has around $250
MP: Younger chinese guy who also is a reg, based on what EP has mentioned. He plays a lot of pots. more on the aggro side and has around $600.
Hero(Button): TAG with $300. image is solid. not getting out of line

Action:
EP raises to $15, MP calls, I call on the button with K8 spades.
Flop: K64 two spades. EP bets $25, MP raises to $60, I flat, and EP flats.
Turn: 2Spades, checked around to me. WWYD?

obviously its check, or bet. If I bet, how much? Asian guy would raise flop cbet with a set or a bluff. His check on the turn may mean bluff? EP would defend with Kx, no better than kj I assume?
Bet $90
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10-07-2014 , 12:46 PM
Why so small?
To induce or for value?

I'd prefer to get $140 here to make for an easy river shove.
We've put in $70 out of $510 it looks like, so that's $300 remaining on the river which will have >$600.
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10-07-2014 , 01:05 PM
Yeah fold pre for sure - vs two aggro players we do not flop well enough to play this hand profitably ever. Based on your descriptions, despite having the B, I think your range for flatting here should be very narrow - This is also a really good spot to squeeze a fairly decent portion of your range (though I think K8s is a fold regardless).

Flop - think shoving is best. My biggest concern is what is our plan vs a shove on a brick turn card?

As played, I like a non AI bet - 1/2 to 2/3 pot
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10-07-2014 , 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
Why so small?
To induce or for value?

I'd prefer to get $140 here to make for an easy river shove.
We've put in $70 out of $510 it looks like, so that's $300 remaining on the river which will have >$600.

Our hand is pretty face up here - and I think there is a ton of 1 pair hands that I want to get value from on two streets (turn and river). The top of Vmp range includes hands that we could hammer this turn and get fat vale [sets], but I think the bulk of his range is weaker hands. Vep is probably more Kx... I don't see them folding for $90, so I milk them both for two streets rather than a big bet-bet line that will get folds from the bulky weak parts of their range.
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10-07-2014 , 01:26 PM
V1 could have other flushes.. including da nuts.. but I'll stack off here if pushed to do so.
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