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Old 06-26-2018, 07:12 AM   #1
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1/3 turn equity denial spot

V1 (SB): 50 ish white guy, very loose pre, plays draws aggressively post but hasn't done anything too crazy (covers all)
V2 (CO): 30 ish white guy, TAG ($300)
V3 (BTN): 30 ish middle eastern guy, no interesting reads ($200)
Hero (BB): late 20s Asian guy, nitty image ($550)

V2 opens $12 in CO. V3 calls on BTN. V1 calls in SB. Hero calls with 77 in BB.

Flop: J62r ($44)

Checked through.

Turn: 6 ($44)

SB bets $15. Hero ???

I'm very confident I have the best hand unless someone spiked a 6. If I raise I'm basically turning my hand into a bluff or very thin value at best. If I call I give the in position villains a great price to take a river with just two overs. I feel like raising to deny equity is more important than not overplaying my hand in this case though especially four way. How much to size?
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Old 06-26-2018, 08:29 AM   #2
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Re: 1/3 turn equity denial spot

Why cant SB have a J or a 6?
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Old 06-26-2018, 08:35 AM   #3
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Re: 1/3 turn equity denial spot

You shouldn't be confident in your hand strength. There is literally no reason why SB can't have Jx, 88-TT, or 6x. AP, you can call at this price, or maybe turn your hand into a bluff, but you should be barreling off otr if you decide to take that route. Raising to deny equity makes no sense.
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Old 06-26-2018, 12:39 PM   #4
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Re: 1/3 turn equity denial spot

I also call preflop.

I sometimes find myself donking like $18 on the flop but that may be leaky. Obviously if the flop checks around there was a good chance we were good but now we risk giving a free overcard to the world.

On the turn when the SB donks things change a little since he could have easily been sandbagging a monster or even Jx on the flop (checking to induce), whereas it's quite a lot less likely those behind us are sandbagging Jx/monster. Heck, he could even easily be betting TT-88 which is still better, let alone a 6 that backed into trips. The question is does he really have air enough (meh?) or a smaller pair (meh?) and does he have enough weak hands that will fold to a raise? I probably just lean to a fold here, although I guess there are arguments for a raise (since we could have sandbagged a monster on the flop).

Another option (if we're taking a "bluffing" route) is to flat as it's unlikely anyone behind us has anything and then use our position on the river to evaluate whether we have a profitable bluff vs check behind.

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Old 06-26-2018, 04:30 PM   #5
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Re: 1/3 turn equity denial spot

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Why cant SB have a J or a 6?
Flop check and turn bet sizing. He has not bet 1/3 pot yet.
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Old 06-26-2018, 04:51 PM   #6
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Flop check and turn bet sizing. He has not bet 1/3 pot yet.
Board is bone dry and no one has shown any interest in the pot; he can't be betting monsters extremely small and praying not to lose any of his action? Not saying he has a monster, and it could still easily be a weakish hand, but ruling out monsters / decent hands is a mistake, imo.

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Old 06-26-2018, 04:53 PM   #7
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Board is bone dry and no one has shown any interest in the pot; he can't be betting monsters extremely small and praying not to lose any of his action? Not saying he has a monster, and it could still easily be a weakish hand, but ruling out monsters / decent hands is a mistake, imo.

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Possibly, but looks more like a stab. Like I said this guy has not bet 1/3 pot yet. I think he tries to go bigger to build a pot with his good hands especially since he missed a street on the flop.
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Old 06-26-2018, 04:55 PM   #8
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Re: 1/3 turn equity denial spot

Literally anybody at the table can still have Jx/6x or better pocket pairs.

Depending on suits this would be a good hand to have in a balanced bluffing range, but it doesn't make sense to bluff if you're so sure you have the best hand for whatever reason. It's probably fine to call and evaluate river if you're confident in your hand's strength.
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Old 06-26-2018, 04:56 PM   #9
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YAP, you can call at this price, or maybe turn your hand into a bluff, but you should be barreling off otr if you decide to take that route. Raising to deny equity makes no sense.
He's never folding better if he calls. Jx is snap calling, 88-TT probably bets bigger for protection and might be suspicious of a river bet enough to call. And that's IF he has those hands (probably a stab with overcards).
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