Flop raise would be spew. Turn call is good poker.

Sounds like we are gonna have to agree to disagree. The pyramid is key. Sure if they really want to call down jack high, they can. But they won't. Vast majority of the time trash like jack high no draw (which is gonna be a fair portion of their range) won't make it past the flop, never mind showdown. If on any street they fold more than a certain % such that we can auto profit by betting ATC, which they will cause again they simply cannot continue with such a wide range, not iso raising wide to play a heads up pot in position is leaving tons of $ on the table. But hey, ABC nit poker can still win in 2018 and is very low variance, so you do you.

Turn raise you mean?

Are we raising overpairs vs his flop lead? Don't think i would.

I like flatting turn if we had some SDV, like A high. Vs this weak 2nd barrel i think i mostly would raise my overpairs, so might as well throw in some 9high FD to balance those out.

You definitely should raise overpairs versus this donk lead. If I have JJ, I feel like I have the nuts against this stupid line.

If you think most regs have iso raises way looser than their actual RFI, you’re wrong. It has nothing to do with being ABC or nitty. Isolating with 63s is often going to be very bad

Some regs commonly have 60%+ RFI otb. Even thinking of Expanding that any higher for an iso raise just bc we have position on a fishalready just sounds ridiculous

You’re calling me a nit yet you’re not auto raising this flop (which you should be doing here with 9 high)? That’s funny

I don't think most regs iso raise looser than their actual RFI. I think too many regs have that nit mindset where they think they need to tighten up cause they can't bluff a fish. And while it's true that you can't bluff three fish, you can easily bluff one fish. Especially when you have position which is why I'm a shameless seat changing bum hunter.

60 is already pretty loose. Would only go that loose if the blinds are nits. But no, I said in a previous post if we go beyond 60 we're gonna have utter trash like Q6o which has little to no equity when called on too many boards. So if my RFI is already really high (like ATC if blinds are nitty enough), then yes I will make an exception and tighten up facing a limp from this fish.

If you don't iso raise looser vs a fish with nits in the blinds (basically guaranteed a heads up pot in position which is the dream) then yes I'm calling you a nit. You're probably a good player, but that's a huge leak imo.

Also I never said raising flop was bad. I just think raising turn is better. I made this thread fully expecting to get heat for not raising flop but I don't mind sharing my thought process to see what other winning players are thinking. Again, we'll probably agree to disagree.

Just because we have the "nuts" doesn't mean we should always raise. I know protection is a reasonable concept here, but so is letting him barrell off with 55-88.

But he never folds those hands to a raise. The odds of a pair folding to this raise are maybe 5% at most ime. I don't think 77-88 even fold to a turn barrel after the flop raise. I'm not advocating raising the flop with 9c6c to fold him off a pair.

My experience is different. Even the worst players in my games realize we are repping 99+ and will fold 66-88 often, but never a draw. This would be a pretty bad result for our hand/range, obv.

And if villain as described is legitimately leading random air often, we can get him off it at a later stage.

The problem with this is that it requires potentially a large investment and a true rep of nothing later in the hand. He can fire another 2/3 pot bet ott and if we're UI, it's pretty questionable to call, and raising is expensive and looks like BS, gets hero'd a lot.

Nope. Stop bluffing idiots - pay off the small turn bet and play the riv straightforward.

The stop bluffing idiots comments has made me curious. Let's think about that pyramid again. Specifically this in case I haven't been clear.



Where do you guys think fish are dumping most of their hands? It's probably not preflop. So it's either the flop turn or river. But it's gotta be at least on one of these streets where bluffing is mega +EV.

You're not really "bluffing" if you raise the flop. You will blow him off hands that have less equity than our hand but still sufficient equity to call the raise, i.e. he's gonna fold his random overcards. When he actually calls, he usually has a pair. We're definitely over 40% equity against his donk/call range, and the flop raise usually buys us the option of a free river. Maybe your experience differs, but I almost never get 3b in this spot.

^^ I mostly meant turn as I was responding to his question, but I do agree w above nonetheless. Otf getting 3b is still a consideration I don’t think that can be ignored because this is one of those gii type boards once he leads. And yea, his pp leads are calling anyway which IMO isn’t exactly a great result. I just play the majority of whatever I raised pre with as a call here and go from there.