V2 ($500) maniac, loose aggro pre always raising/3b and loose aggro post not afraid to barrel with air.
Can vary his open size irrespective of strength like $35 pre w/32o, $25 w/98s
Don't believe a bigger size pre is a sign of strength

H(covers) V2 doubled up thru me when he 3b/called off $200 pre with ATs in the straddle vs my AK, I have lost a couple of hands so my image is not as tight as earlier in the night

V1 opens $50 UTG, H 3b next to act $150 w/TT, all fold to V who calls
My reasoning is I want to iso this V because I'm ahead of his range
But is this too risky when there is so many left to act??
What should my sizing be?

Flop KQ3r (300)
V leads 100, H folds

Not a good flop for me, and I was pretty certain if I called, V would barrel again

Please critique

1) $50 is really not getting called basically ever so really don’t need to 3! to iso. Just calling will keep his range as wide as possible and HU basically always

2) doesn’t need to be $150. $120 will do the trick.

3) I don’t mind $150 though for value against maniac (not for ISO reasons) but yeah I just let it go on the flop

They were my first thoughts..

TBH if he's that crazy that you think $50 isn't a sizing tell, then I'm just sticking it in pre. Like you're saying his range is ATC, we are way ahead and he's presumably calling way too wide and we hate so many flops.

AP I fold too.

calling pre, AP fold flop

Yeah, kinda gross spot preflop with 8 others still to react behind us. With this guy raising every hand we really need to be to the right of this guy so we can limp in with our hand, see him raise, then see what the rest of the table does before we make our decision.

Obviously sucky flop but this guy is likely betting most flops, no? Still, it's a gross spot.

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I folded flop and he showed me a K

If i'm sticking it in pre 500eff is that too much of an overplay given so many left to act?

You played it fine. 3betting is the correct play, the bigger the open the more likely we should 3bet because we are getting worse odds. Fold flop is good

I think I like call over 3! here. Very few Vs are coming over the top light behind us in this spot at 1/3. If V is the type that is going to lead into the a 3 bettor on the flop, then there's no need to bloat the pot PF.

We have the 5th nuts, we should be pushing our equity with a hand that will have some problems continuing on most flops. Calling is vastly inferior to 3betting against this villain given OPs description. It’s pretty crazy how people don’t even understand basic concepts in this forum.

The bigger the sizing the more likely you should be 3betting because you are getting worse odds on a call. TT also doesn’t play great multi-way but it will perform very well heads up.

TT is ahead of 7 random distributions plus, what are they calling with when you ship? Probably KK/AA, chances are no-one has that. I'm not saying it's not a high variance play and I only make it if $50 isn't a sizing tell. But if villain sticks in 10% with ATC, I ship TT.

If we’re 3 betting not actually a bad spot for a min raise. Does the same job of clearing out everything but premium hands behind us and if villain is this crazy loose does sizing really make a difference? still don’t love building a huge pot even in position when there’s a ton of flops we don’t like that much and he’s leading out.

It's not as simple as this. If we're playing at a 10 handed table, there's still 8 players left behind us to act. The chances of someone waking up with JJ+ is still 16% (using the Phil Gordon Principle, and it's even larger since the maniac is also allowed to wake up with a hand). On top of that someone could also put us in a very screwy spot with ~AK. Those "rare" cases happen enough where it does put us in a tough spot in this EP. Obvious an isolation in LP is obvious, but with medium pairs in EP it becomes a lot more dicey. This is why we should be sitting to the right of the maniac, limp in, see him raise, and then evaluate how the rest of the world acts to make our best decision.

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