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07-01-2016 , 10:26 AM
Table: Preflop raises being called kind of light -- J9o, K5s -- but 3 bets aren't happening without 99+ or A10s. At least, not in my three hours at the table. Players I've seen call PFR with suited connectors are not in the hand.

Hero ($212): late 20s/early 30s WG, dressed mildly sharp. Viewed by this table as very tight: pretty card dead and haven't had one showdown. Treading water thanks to two semi-bluffs and a triple barrel bluff, but it's been napkin city.

Villain (~$450): middle-aged reg/possible regfish. Hasn't led once with two pair+, save for on the river, only checkraise/checkcall until river with big hands. Is silent with the goods, announces "I call" with the rest of his range. Has something of a tell where he'll squint at the board then hesitates with his chips before firmly setting them in when on a draw/the flop otherwise touches him. Very sticky with draws/pairs.

UTG limps. Hero UTG+1 raises to $15 with TT. CO calls, BTN calls, Villain in BB calls and announces it, UTG calls.

Flop ($76): 754 rainbow

Villain does his squint thing and donks for $25. UTG folds. Hero...??
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07-01-2016 , 10:34 AM
Raise to $100 and GII I think. Too many people in the pot to just flat here.
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07-01-2016 , 10:34 AM
So he has a 6 in his hand. Time to get him to pay to keep drawing. Raise to 100. Fold on the turn if a 3 or 8 comes.
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07-01-2016 , 10:35 AM
Given read, this is an easy raise to $80, then ship any turn that isnt an 8, 7, or 3.
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07-01-2016 , 10:43 AM
Its an easy raise as people have said. The problem comes when someone behind you calls. Then your confidence level shrinks pretty quickly.
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07-01-2016 , 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
Its an easy raise as people have said. The problem comes when someone behind you calls. Then your confidence level shrinks pretty quickly.
Sidequestion: I wasn't worried about those acting behind -- was as reasonably certain as I could've been I had best hand pre and that they weren't calling with 86 or 63, suited or not, given table history -- and not to say I "sensed weakness" but their bodylanguage wasn't strong after the flop and none of them had exhibited any leveling previously. That + table image and I had already written them out of the hand. Dangerous assumptions or...?
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07-01-2016 , 11:09 AM
Your read of their body language is very important of course. But absent that read, if someone calls the donk bet AND raise, you really should be worried about 2 pair or a set.

Not much you do about your worry though. A flop raise pretty much commits you.
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07-01-2016 , 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
Your read of their body language is very important of course. But absent that read, if someone calls the donk bet AND raise, you really should be worried about 2 pair or a set.

Not much you do about your worry though. A flop raise pretty much commits you.
My thinking as well. I had cut out $100, looked at what I had left behind and shoved it then and there.

CO folded, BTN folded.

Villain called immediately and had...?
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07-01-2016 , 12:44 PM
Villain had A7o. Turn and river came 4 and a 2. Tens were good. Too aggressive to go all in on the flop?
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07-01-2016 , 03:04 PM
You would have folded out the draw portion of his range. You got lucky that he had the bottom of his calling range. If he were any better, he'd realize that you had very few draw combos and his TPTK was mostly beat. Of course if he was any better, he wouldn't have made such a small flop bet.
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07-01-2016 , 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by venice10
You would have folded out the draw portion of his range. You got lucky that he had the bottom of his calling range. If he were any better, he'd realize that you had very few draw combos and his TPTK was mostly beat. Of course if he was any better, he wouldn't have made such a small flop bet.
Does my stack size come into play here? If I was deep stacked, I certainly wouldn't have bombed the flop.
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07-01-2016 , 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Dangus
Does my stack size come into play here? If I was deep stacked, I certainly wouldn't have bombed the flop.
Absolutely it comes into play.
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07-01-2016 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by venice10
You would have folded out the draw portion of his range. You got lucky that he had the bottom of his calling range. If he were any better, he'd realize that you had very few draw combos and his TPTK was mostly beat. Of course if he was any better, he wouldn't have made such a small flop bet.
My read on him was accurate throughout the night -- and took him again half an hour later. He never led with two pairs or a set except on the river. He is not a villain who can level you. I'm not sure that's lucky to see that and bet accordingly -- given what I had left behind, is it really that big of a difference to not shove?
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07-04-2016 , 12:05 PM
With our stack size and what looks like a fairly loose table, I'd simply raise to 10%+ of our stack preflop so that we can stack off trivially with an overpair on the flop, so $20+ for me preflop.

I'm not in love with the fact we went eleventeen ways to the flop plus still have a couple of players behind us left to act that could have flopped a monster. But this is about the best board TT is going to see and the SPR is small ~2.5 where there simply ain't much room to play. Any reasonable raise commits us while leaving a fairly lol left for the turn, so if I'm feeling commited, I would probably consider shoving now. Draws might gambool and 99/88/7x might still call.

ETA: The results are why I love the shove here. I mean, you'd think shoving would turn our hand face up but to him I guess it looks like we're trying to barrel him off a pair with AK/etc. And we get all the money in before a scare card comes where he can maybe then find a fold. Nice sizing, imo.

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