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11-13-2014 , 09:09 PM

fizzypants

old hand

Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,851

Hero (UTG+1, $350ish): Nittiest player ever, never gets paid off as Vs know he has a hand if he bets...

V1 (UTG, $500): Decent, tight, middle-aged Asian player who chips up with the goods...

V2 (MP, $450): Aggro, young "online" guy, raises to $15 pre every 2-3 hands and fires cbets a lot, bluffs often, etc...

V1 limps,
Hero limps A7ss (getting tired of being card-dead, hoping to out-flush someone and V2 doesn't raise),
V2 raises to $15,
BB calls,
V1 calls,
Hero calls (priced-in, plan to get away from Axx boards)

Flop ($60): 5s 6s 7d
BB checks, V1 bets $35, Hero ???

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11-13-2014 , 09:22 PM

LongTimeNoSee

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 666

call if he is so nitty he propably has a set.

if you are the only caller you can bluff him off with 2 barrels when the 4 card straight appears, therfor i would also call the turn if he doesnt make it too big.

any chance he limp/calls another hand than a PP<99 here?

edit: if the 3-bettor raises and the nit moves allin, ouch that sucks.

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11-13-2014 , 09:27 PM

surviva316

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Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,335

I don't limp in front of V2 unless I plan to l/rr when a good situation arises. Given our image and the tight callers in front, this is it.

As played, just flat. We draw to the nuts, and we can run some big bluffs on 4/8 turns/rivers.

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11-13-2014 , 10:03 PM

fizzypants

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Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,851

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Originally Posted by surviva316

As played, just flat. We draw to the nuts, and we can run some big bluffs on 4/8 turns/rivers.

I feel like the problem with flatting with FDs here is our hand gets too obvious and it would get difficult to stack anyone on later streets. Also, if we miss, we just donated a huge % of our stack.

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11-13-2014 , 10:08 PM

LongTimeNoSee

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 666

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Originally Posted by fizzypants

I feel like the problem with flatting with FDs here is our hand gets too obvious and it would get difficult to stack anyone on later streets. Also, if we miss, we just donated a huge % of our stack.

you want to raise the set for that reason?

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11-13-2014 , 10:53 PM

surviva316

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Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,335

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Originally Posted by fizzypants

I feel like the problem with flatting with FDs here is our hand gets too obvious and it would get difficult to stack anyone on later streets.

That's the nice thing about having the stone-cold, immortal mother-flippin' nuts. We can afford to build the pot once our hand is made because there is no amount of betting that will reduce the chances of us winning the pot. We even have the 7s for good measure to block the SF and paired board.

Of course it makes it *harder* for us to win as big of a pot, but the solution of building the pot before our hand is made kind of contradicts your other goal of not donating a huge percentage of your stack when we miss.

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11-14-2014 , 07:40 AM

fizzypants

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Originally Posted by LongTimeNoSee

you want to raise the set for that reason?

I think it's unreasonable to put him only on sets. He could have two pairs, pair+SD type hands here too, and given my NITTY IMAGE, he will lay them down to a raise 100%.

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11-14-2014 , 07:41 AM

fizzypants

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Originally Posted by surviva316

Yeah, but I think we're discounting the massive FE my image generates when I raise.

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11-14-2014 , 10:17 AM

samspeedstar

centurion

Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 150

Because the nut flush draw you should get as more ppl in the pot as possible. Raise here only bluffs away other FDs and force youself to play a nit heads up.

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11-14-2014 , 10:29 AM

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surviva316

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Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,335

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Originally Posted by fizzypants

Yeah, but I think we're discounting the massive FE my image generates when I raise.

I don't think described player leads out with pair+SD. MAYBE 88, but I think it's much more likely to be a hand that he feels in a rush to protect, so two-pair is likely the bottom of his range. A nitty image might give him a tough decision on the flop with the bottom of that range, but for the most part, he's either going to sigh-[continue] or happily shove thinking he's securing a cooler.

If the dealer can turn you a four straight, then you gain some FE against two pairs and sets.

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11-14-2014 , 10:44 AM

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Javanewt

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Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 12,772

If he will fold, just call and try to bring V2 and BB along. If one of them raises, just raise then. I still think it's going to be tough to get paid off.

Edit: My default is to raise here.

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