Hero profile: Hero has been playing at table for over 6 hours and has tag image. Hero hasnt wont many pots at the table and doesnt have a winning image yet still has a solid image. Hero does have history and a dynamic with villain.

Villain is a recreational foreign player who consideres himself to be 'reg.'villain is very very looose pre almost station. but has very weired preflop tendencies, hel limp a ton and have very varied raise sizings when oppening pre seen him open raise to 30 at 1-3 a couple times one time he had 88? villain massively over plays hands and has very low understanding of hand strengths and how they correlate with different boards.
hand that we played together right before this one happes
Villain limps hj hero opens buttn 15 A10 sb calls and villain calls from hj.
flop A3K checks to hero who cbets 30, sb calls, villain in hjraises to 140, hero the 3bets to 240 from bttn, sb folds, hj jams and hero calls.
runs out 2,3 to chop vs A4 of villain
this may look horendous or overplaying but hero had very good grasp and understanding of how villain was playing and why he could do so so in such spots. villain never limp calls aj aq pre. Villain never uses this sizing for value has shoved when thinking ahead or for value everytime. hero was fairly certain that villains range was heavily weighted towards axs which are a2-a9 or flush drws and kxdd combos. hero expected him to jam his axs and flat flop 3bet with flushdrws not couting on folding on brick turns. hero is very comfortable with this type of profile as it is the profile he has most exploited in native country.

Game is calling for missing seats to be replaces as list is running, and we re currently playing 6 handed.

Preflop
Hero opens 12 from hj with Q8 only villain calls from bb.(he defends his binds somewhat 75-80probalby even 100 to open raises but dnt wana exaggerate or influence conceptions of villain to extrememly)
FlopPot(25) Flop K83 villain checks to hero who bets 15 villain calls
Turn Pot(55) Q villain checks to hero who bets 40 and villain raises to 220(350or so stack total ) hero calls.

What do you guys think of hand in general vs this profile, and dynamic that was going on between us after previous hand.
Arguments for checking back flop? Arguements for folding turn? Arguements for checking back turn?

If villain is going to defend his blind super wide then I don't open Q8s. You can and should open him pretty wide from LP but you want something that will flop better then Q8s.

After that it's entirely about the history you have with villain and the hand pretty much plays itself. You caught a piece of the flop and should be c-betting air a lot anyways and on turn your hand is too good to give up against his villain. You won't always be winning, villain can have KQ or a set but your villain can show up with 83/flush draws and other weirdness. Against a more reasonable villain I'm folding turn a lot.

sorry guys little mistake
when villain cr to 220 turn hero jams and he calls.
typo error

thanx for taking time of giving feedback bud.
just wanna ask you what are your reasons for not oppening q8hh from hj vs bad loose player who defends bb super wide?

You can check back flops vs this guy, I'd be more interested in checking if it was KQ3 vs K83.

Value betting is fine. I'm not folding turn and I'm probably calling him down the whole way IP.

I don't mind Q8s open, just makes it annoying if our Villains on direct left are fishy, then I tighten it up. If nits, I'm fine with it.

Position is so nice vs these players.


I don't like Jamming here, let him bluff at you, what's really going to call you there that you beat? Jc/Tc? Given villain you're probably getting raises with JcTc on flop some % and almost always the nut club draw.

As played, If you lost, its simply a cooler.

Agree with QuadJ that opening Q8 suited from HJ is too weak. If this guys is stacking off as light as he is, we can afford to be more selective with our starting hands since we expect to make a lot of money with our overpairs and TP.

We are going to leak a lot of chips playing this hand on all the flops where we flop nothing or we flop middle pair and we don't want to play a big pot against this guy but he starts shoveling in money on us anyway. Our c-bets aren't going to get through because he will call your flop bets with bottom pair, A high, gut-shots, and his range will be ultra-wide. Once you are forced to give up on most turns, he can bluff us out of a lot of pots or just get to showdown and beat us with A high.

At what point does it become too nitty waiting for big hands to play vs this guy. He should/could pick up on it and somebody else could felt him before you ever get the chance. Seems a tad nitty, maybe I'm wrong, but it feels that way. Maybe just one card difference, Q9s and it becomes very fine.

That is really a tough judgement call on how loose you want to play this guy. Not just judging how bad this villain is, there are other things that play into it that don't come up normally. If villain gets stacked is he going to stick around or is he the sort that switches tables every time he gets felted? If he is the type that likes to change tables then you have to take more risks to get your chance at his money. How much are other people at the table getting involved? You have to be careful opening wide if a good player between you and villain will recognize this and 3 bet more often.

The problem with hands like Q8s is your going to get into a lot of guessing games. What happens in this hand if hero doesn't catch a Q on the turn and villain bets/raises? Hero has no idea where he stands because not only can villain be value betting and bluffing but villain can be bluffing with better hands (such as weak KX) and value betting worse hands (worse 8X). Against a villain who will call a lot and is too aggressive/bluffy I don't want to get into playing those guessing games. You can't always avoid them but there is no reason to put yourself into bad situations by playing hands that will create them a lot.

I'd open down far enough to include Q8s too. Betting flop and bet shoving turn as well.
His range obviously contains some hands that are beating you, but also includes hands he views as traps like AA/AK given these types sometimes have no raising range with any hand pre. Qxcc, other fds make up the rest of his range with the latter portion a little less likely to take this line.

sorry I am 100% ok with the way the hand played. , U don't have club with u there is still lil chance he has clubs.
33/KQ are in his range (some very random but unlikely K8s)

but AA/AK/KJ/KT/K9 or also in his range as he over value/aggro TP...

somehow AQs, QJs, QTs and Q9s with FD are also in this range

TJs as well but less likely AP.

Ur line is OK 100%

Played fine. Q8s is about the bottom of my range from the HJ if CO/Btn fold a very high % of the time.

I'd consider a flop check. Villain will let us know how much he likes his hand on the turn. I think a 2/5 cbet is fine though. Never folding to the villain as described and I'd stack off on the turn. Plenty of semi-bluff, QcXx, and Kx hands.

Fold pre. Cbet flop is fine. Turn fold.

I'm fairly uncomfortable playing these sort of Villains; for instance, in the history hand there is no way I'd be comfortable playing for stacks on the flop with a face up TP hand, although it looks like we did that comfortably.

Preflop I think we're a little too early to be opening this type of junk with still 4 players behind us (CO / Button / SB / BB). I also kinda hate 3 gappers due to RIO, so I'd just fold.

I'm going to assume $300 stacks to start the hand, so on the flop we have an SPR of 11. I don't want to build a big pot against this guy nor be faced with a check/raise (because I feel I'll have to fold a hand as weak as just second pair). So if this guy check/raises the flop a lot, I probably just check it behind and go into calldown bluffcatch mode.

Admittedly a difficult spot on the turn. Our hand is now quite a lot stronger and should probably bet on this drawy board, however against most opponents I would fold to the check/raise (as there are very few worse hands most opponents have here). Against this guy, not nearly as easy.

In the end, he's seen us raise preflop, bet this flop, and continue betting this turn. And yet he's check/raised us. He's basically saying he can beat AK and yet he believes we aren't going to fold that to him (given recent HH). So I probably sigh fold.

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Seems fine, I'd feel like Q8 was the nuts on that turn.

Villain knows we are incapable of folding TP versus him given the hand we just played. Does he show up with enough hands > TP but worse than ours?

Gmeh,imoG

Sure he can. AA, AK, KJ, KT, 38, SD/FD, Qxcc, 3xcc. How does he play those hands? I dunno, I'm not OP and wasn't in the game.

I doubt a chopped hand sticks out in the mind of a super loose preflop player who calls 75-100% of his limps. I suspect he gets in lots of these situations and won't recall much of hero's range. If he does, villain will see hero as a loose player willing to gii with TPWK.

I think villain does show up with a lot of TP, Qx draws, etc. Hero described him as having a "very low understanding of card strength" and "massively overplays hands". The hand history provides evidence to hero's read.

I think this hand is a snap fold against tight/loose passive players who never raise with draws or TP. That is not the villain we face here.