HJ Stack 300 Black guy who is fairly new to the table. Has been limping a lot pre-flop.

CO Stack 250 Loose aggro guy who has been spewing money. I won a big pot from him after I limp re-raised a straddled pot from him on his direct right and went all in after he raised w/ AKs. Stuck a buy in or two.

BU Me Stack 430 Should have a tight image, haven't been limping many hands or raising a lot.

BB Stack 500? Old man who is a reg at this casino. A hand history from him: Loose passive fish limps in late position he raises KcQx out of the blinds fish calls. A high all club flop, he bets, fish raises, he calls. Turn blank went check, check. River blank he bets big and fish tank calls w/ a weak ace one pair.


OTTH
HJ limps
CO limps (always a weak hand)
I raise otb w/ KsQh to $20
BB old man snap calls
HJ Calls
CO Calls

Pot $80
QT2r
BB bets $75
HJ Folds
CO Folds
I call

Pot $230
Turn 2
BB Bets $130
I tank fold because all I can beat is KJ and maybe J9s. I haven't seen many pot sized bet donk lead outs from him. Would you be stacking off with say AQ in this spot? I don't know if he calls $20 w/ QTo but I guess he would since I've seen him call QJo from the blinds before.

donk bets are generally weak made hands or draws, I would call turn, I bet he has KQ actually, but could have QJ Q9 JT J9 KJ. Could also have AK, people do weird stuff with AK. I think hed check raise AQ but he could have it.

Supersystem suggests donking out with sets vs good players because good players will try to bluff raise you off weak made hands. Not saying its good advice, but I will say people occassionally will do that, especially an old reg who may have read an old book. Id still say youre ahead of his range, and seeing he can make big bluffs is all the better.

If he checks river id bet it small, and call a ship because you probably beat his whole range.

Grunch.

HH suggests V can fire two barrels with KJ (though history was flop and river, not flop and turn).

I think his range here is something like
QQ, TT, 22 (5 combos)
QTs (2 - 3 combos)
J9s (0 - 4 combos)
AQ (8 combos)
KQs (1 or 2 combos)
Fudge factor from air up to AA with very small likelihood. Ima ignore that since it might be good or bad.

We're about 42% against that range.

There's $360 in the pot and we have $335 back (needing $130 to call). If we call, there will be $490 in the pot and we'll have $205 back. Not really getting away from a river bet against this guy.

If we jam, he'll have to call $205 to win $695. Doubt he's folding anything either.

I think I just stick it in now. That prevents V from realizing his IO with his draws, which could otherwise maybe x/f the river.

Donking a PSB into a 4-way pot is not the same thing as donking half-pot HU vs. a board that generally misses a PFR's range.

I think nit-folding the flop is fine but wouldn't fault OP for peeling one off. That's probably a leak however because he's generally not going to slow down on the turn so your pot commitment decision is effectively made on the flop.

If I'm playing my A-game I just fold flop and don't spend much time thinking about it. Next hand.

Probably folding flop

After 2 limps, I'm probably raising bigger to have more chance at narrowing the field (although I realize that a single caller out-of-the-blinds can often create a 4way pot almost regardless of raise size, so obviously tricky). We're kinda ok just taking down the pot now. I'm also not opposed to simply overlimping here as I once was (especially at loose tables where narrowing the field is difficult). Kinda hate our result, but that happens.

I think I actually sigh fold to the flop bet. Now this old man is obviously an idiot in his HH hand (flop is a trivial fold to the fish raise and he should never be attempting to bluff the fish on the river). But in this hand he just bet into 3 opponents including the preflop raiser. Is he really doing this with KJ or J9? Does he snap call those hands preflop? Cuz those are the only real hands we're beating, and I'm just not convinced he has those very often.

I'm cool with our turn fold, but I think it was actually a street too late.

GcluelessNLnoobG

+1

It's obviously a tough fold on the flop given how bad this guy is capable of playing given his HH, but overall that's what I'd still lean too.

GimoG