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1/3: Tough spot with lots going on 1/3: Tough spot with lots going on

01-03-2020 , 11:51 AM
Week night game at 1/3.

Main villain 1: seems pretty tight preflop, bought in for 300 and lost some, but then doubled up the previous hand vs villain 2 with turned straight vs top set, (main villain had bet/called flop with a draw and got there on turn). Currently sitting on around 500.

Villain 2: bought in for 200 originally and ran it up to about 350 before losing most of it the previous hand to main villain. Villain raised pre to 12 with KK, flop K96r, villain check raised small on flop then all in turn T and got snapped by 78o from main V. Currently sitting on around 70.

Villain 3: loose player and seems pretty recreational, makes a lot of preflop calls then folds post if he has nothing. Sitting on around 160.

Preflop:
UTG limp $3
+1 V2 $17
HJ V1 call
CO H call Q1/3: Tough spot with lots going onJ1/3: Tough spot with lots going on
BB V3 call
UTG call

I should probably be 3 betting this here, but I thought I could play in position vs these guys. Button also looked like he was going to fold so I thought I could get position just by calling.

Flop: 5 way($85) J1/3: Tough spot with lots going onT1/3: Tough spot with lots going on91/3: Tough spot with lots going on
BB all in $143
UTG fold
+1 all in $53
HJ call
Hero??

I'm willing to gamble with both of the short stacks, but what does HJ have here by just flat calling? Based on the 78 earlier, I think he can have pair+SD, Thxh, Axhx, and 2 pair+. I'm losing to all 2p+ but beating everything else... Call? Fold? Raise? Everything seems okay to me...

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01-03-2020 , 12:31 PM
This is a snap fold for me preflop. Raiser just put in a hugenormous 25% of his stack preflop so there's no way we should be continuing against him. Yeah, much deeper V1 is in the pot and we'll be in position, but V1 doesn't seem like a complete idiot and main pot is going to be protected by V2 (who will likely be all-in on the flop). We want to see cheap sky high SPR hands with this very speculative hand (i.e. overlimping multiple limpers in position), and not see very low SPR ones (i.e. raised pots), imo.

I don't think we can fold given these odds closing the action (even though there will be more streets to play against deeper guy). Board is extremely drawy and pot is huge and deeper guy just called with us still behind; I think this is very rarely a tarping huge hand (heck, even the flopped nuts has to be concerned about the flush draw). So I'm not putting V1 on a huge hand here and think we should shove to protect our equity against him.

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01-03-2020 , 12:44 PM
With the opener being so short this is never ever a 3b pre and a crystal clear fold.

AP i fold otf with this action. Its very possible you are already dead to a chop. Our 2 pair outs are often not good and if somebody has a FD we have 6 outs to a straight assuming nobody has KQ or Q8 but can still be dead if we hit the 8 and chop vs KQ.
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01-03-2020 , 01:14 PM
Fold PF. QJo is a terrible hand vs a MP iso raise.

I want to fold flop too. If you're in there w/ KQ and someone else w/ a FD it's not great.
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01-04-2020 , 08:33 AM
You should fold preflop or squeeze. Calling is bad.

As played call all in
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01-04-2020 , 01:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard32
You should fold preflop or squeeze. Calling is bad.

As played call all in
squeeze pre is pretty bad
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01-04-2020 , 09:29 PM
I rarely say this, but fold pre. Sigh fold flop.
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01-04-2020 , 11:09 PM
I would fold preflop. AP fold flop for reasons already stated. You're probably toast and a chop is the best thing you can hope for.
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01-04-2020 , 11:24 PM
What is hero's stack size?

Pre flop is a trivial fold BTW. This is an excellent example of a huge leak shared by 75%+ of low stakes live regs, overcalling in bad spots and then compounding the cost of that error by being unable to navigate multiway pots when they hit but don't lol-crush the board. I feel dirty typing this out because my win rate would be destroyed if the player pool ever learned to master an even mildly competent preflop game.
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