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1/3 Tough Decision with TPGK on Turn 1/3 Tough Decision with TPGK on Turn

04-14-2019 , 12:32 PM
1/3 NLHE

Stacks $300 effective.

Villain 1 is in the SB. He is a Old asian guy. Ragged clothes. Loves to slow roll, and is loose-passive. Dropped one buy-in, but he only buys in for 50bb

Villain 2 is on the button. 20-30's white guy, European accent. Seems TAG but I have seen him limp into pots with K8o from late position, so I don't think he's a genius. I remember 3 betting him light in another session and stealing a pot off him.

Everyone folds to Hero in the CO with KJ
Raise to $12. Both villains call.

Flop is J7T
Pot is $39
Villain 1 checks
Hero bets $25
Both Villain call

Turn is J7T6
Pot is $114
Villain 1 checks

Your action here? What do think these guys have?

Last edited by Aulm; 04-14-2019 at 12:46 PM.
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04-14-2019 , 12:36 PM
On this wet board, I bet again for value against their ranges that are dominated by draws, and it is a b/f.

Checking the river on almost all cards if called, as the draws aren't calling a bet unless they came in and beat you now, and the made hands that will call three barrels almost all beat you.
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04-14-2019 , 04:04 PM
^^^^^this. Putting them on pairs plus gs fd fd/sd
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04-14-2019 , 05:49 PM
I really wouldn't mind a x/call on this flop, specifically with the K. But Garick's suggested line seems more than reasonable also.

Allthough if the river is a blank, like say the 2, you might want to think about a valuebetting.
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04-14-2019 , 08:48 PM
In a game where everyone is so-far straightforward I would bet>check.
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04-14-2019 , 08:59 PM
I’m betting like 85-95. There’s still plenty of hands you beat and you’ll wanna charge them the most now.


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04-15-2019 , 12:01 PM
I'm ok with our raise attempt preflop to steal / iso a blind, and I'm fairly cool with our sizing. However, enough of these attempts fail at my typical loose table (as it did here) plus with shortstacks involved I'm also now cool with open limping this from LP (I'll be in the minority on that).

One of the problems with the preflop result is that it creates a quite small SPR of 3.5 where we'll often be handcuffed to stacking off versus the shortstack and yet mostly fairly uncomfortably so with this hand. We're in this weird spot where we should likely be PSBing the flop to stack off on the turn against the shortstack (for better or worse), and yet with the bigger stack in position on us we don't want to do that. By limping, we keep the SPR sky high and don't find ourselves in these awkward postflop spots.

And again the weird spot on the turn. The shortstack only has a PSB left, so we're committed (for better or worse) against him. But with the deepstack in the hand we really don't want to be putting any more money in the pot.

Preflop definitely isn't bad, and my guess is that it was unexpected (3ways), but it has unfortunately created an awkward spot with just TPmekK (the most likely hand we were going to make).

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04-15-2019 , 12:04 PM
Turn is mostly a brick. Keep betting $80-85.
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04-15-2019 , 12:16 PM
Don’t try and put Vs on a specific hand. This is a very wet board all kinds of hands can call your flop bet, most of which you are beating. Against straightforward players just bet this turn 1/2 pot is good. I’m checking most rivers.
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04-15-2019 , 04:21 PM
Given stack sizes are slightly awkward (we're too deep to jam turn, but not deep enough to just bet 80% on both turn+brick river as we'd like to), I'm going to go with a slightly smaller turn bet like $75. That way, we leave ourselves with $188 behind and can get away if we face a turn raise.

I'm jamming most rivers for thin value, but I'll x/fold scary rivers. More specifically: the only cards I'm really scared of are: spades, A, Q, 9, 8. I'm not scared of: hearts, T, 7, 6, 5, anything else.
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04-16-2019 , 08:09 PM
I’d bet/fold turn for 75-100 for value depending upon how much I think one of them would pay. Feel we have the best hand until told otherwise. Could be value owning ourself vs AJ.
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04-17-2019 , 02:35 AM
im a proponent of protecting your x range but KJ is probably too strong to put that in there, you have weaker Jx to protect with and KJ is just strong enough to bet for value on two streets. turn is obv bet again, no point in checking. plus as amana said people play pretty straightforward in these 3-way spots on this texture so betting is just going to show more EV

u can x hands like J9s/J8s, maybe QsJx
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04-20-2019 , 10:35 PM
AP, I bet about $75 on the turn and Villain 2 called, Villain 1 folded.
The river was the Kd. I shoved AI (hoping to get value from JT or AJ) and got called by 98d.

So I did some work with Poker Cruncher on this. Here are some numbers.
On the flop my equity against both players is 51.73% assuming I am called by the following ranges.

V1 call range pf
JJ-22, AQs-A2s, K2s+, Q2s+, J8s+, T7s+, 96s+, 85s+, 74s+, 64s+, 53s+, 42s+, 32s, AQo-A2o, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T8o+, 97o+, 87o, 76o, 65o, 54o, 43o, 32o

V2 call range pf
TT-22, AJs-A2s, K9s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T8s+, 97s+, 86s+, 75s+, 65s, 54s, AQo-ATo, KTo+, QTo+, J9o+, T9o, 98o, 87o

Given V1 a very wide range as he is a loose fish. Not sure if the range for V2 is correct. Might be a bit tighter.

When called in two spots my equity on the turn is 41.08% assuming that I am called by the following ranges.

Villain 1
JJ-77, AsQs-As2s, K9s+, K7s, QTs+, Qs9s-Qs2s, J8s+, T7s+, 96s+, 85s+, 74s+, AQo-A7o, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T8o+, 97o+, 87o, 76o

Villain 2
TT, 77, AsQs, As9s-As2s, AhJh-AhTh, AcJc-AcTc, AdJd-AdTd, KTs+, Q9s+, J9s+, T8s+, 98s, AJo-ATo, KTo+, QTo+, J9o+, T9o, 98o

Again assuming a much looser calling range from the the fish. Even still this indicates a check on the turn as being the best play. The equity is assuming a wide range of hands that I am called by on the flop. Make that range tighter and equity goes down even further.
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04-21-2019 , 12:29 AM
I would x the river. Don’t really see the point of betting.
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