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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
Hero is expert at home game seat selection, nice.
Are the whales capable of calling a big raise to like $100+? Cuz that's what I'd like to make it to prevent setmining odds. If SB/BB are incredibly 3betty we could also risk a flat/reraise. Otherwise, we just end up in the spot we did here: our hand is likely going to be pretty face up on the table, they are all going to have a much better idea of where they stand postflop than we do, we offered 3 opponents 24+ IO to stack us, and the SPR is < 4 (zero wiggle room postflop).
Anyways, nice flop.
For me this is mostly a flop that someone has something worth giving action with (unlucky case A, a set, a flush draw, or a straight draw) or they don't. And while there are whales in the hand who might chase with what they think is a 5 outer (7x, etc.), for the most part there isn't anything else that is going to last long in this hand. So I simply hammer the flop to setup a turn shove to target hands that are willing to give me action, and really don't care about the mediocre hands (which are unlikely to put much more in the pot anyways). So I raise to like $200 to setup a turn shove.
ETA: I wouldn't feel to bad about the results. My guess is that you probably wouldn't have gotten too much more out of him unless he hit his 3 outer. If he kept betting with Ax thinking it was the best hand, it would likely still be pretty small bets so that we don't fold our KK-. Instead, I would more worry about the massive amount of value we lose by not raising against hands that will be willing to continue. IMO.
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Yes, nice and important to have a good seat against these guys
Pro tip is that i know the host of the game, and when i know these whales are coming (they have fav seat numbers that is locked up for them), then i make sure to show up early so i can get the jesusseat if possible.
Besides that i disagree on alot you are saying in the first part of this post.
1) My hand is really not "faceup" in the terms that anybody can autoput me on KK/AA. Ive been 3 betting several times this game, and i dont play as tight or nitty as you do. Being on the button here in a nice squeezespot with the two whales playing deep stacked, my hand is not faceup. And yes: if i bomb it pre to like 80-100 here the chances are absolutely there that i start to get folds, and i would argue that such size for sure turns my hand more faceup as a premium. If i am 3 betting KQ suited or JJ here i am not blasting it to 100 to give an example.
2)Also i am not on board with the zero wiggleroom postflop statement. People (for the most part) play pretty faceup in 3 bet pots, and for sure multiway 3 bet pots like this. I have 750 left in my stack when the flop comes down and have the button, and i trust my postflopgame enough that i can avoid autostacking off regardless of the board. Even though its 200 in the middle,there is a decent amount of manouvering postflop to be done here on many boards depending on how the hand developes, who bets,who continues++.
Regarding setmining odds, that is not a concern we should let ride over anything else: because the two whales ranges are literally close to any two cards at this point in the game. They will have a boatload RIO hands like QJ,KQ,AQ,AJ,KJ and so forth+ a myriad of suited connectors and gappers that will give me big value when they flop a dominated top pair or a draw they cant get away from cheaply.
Last edited by Petrucci; 08-20-2018 at 01:02 PM.