RESULTS:

Drunk BTN checks out of turn OTR again.

Hero tanks then checks.

SB insta-mucks.

BTN rolls over Kc5h for turned pair of kings.

Hero scoops.

(BTN might’ve sigh-called $150 same bet OTR)

Wait, the whale checks behind on the river out-of-turn and... we still then check?!?!

Gnotourbestmoment,imoG

It's nice to be able to agree with GG!

Just a bunch of blind squirrels running around and eventually running into each other.

Gwhosenutsarethese?G

Ugh. Probably, but there is a HUGE difference. If you had bet out $150 then the BTN has to call $150 to win $580 (25% - not the right price for a flush draw or OESD to call with one card to come) vs. as played, having to call $110 to win $650 (17% - essentially correct price) and SB only has to call $110 to win $760 (14.5%).

This is why the x/r needs to be more than if you had just bet out and if it's not then you are giving them the correct price to call with a draw

This doesn't even address how you gave them a very good price to continue on the flop with your x/r sizing against 2 opponents.

Ha ha. When GG says you missed a value bet with the non-nuts, 3 handed post river, then you definitely missed a value bet.

GG - all in good fun my friend!

I was afraid of SB.

Really the flop is fine for a bunch of reasons.

Good line of thinking in the rest of your response, though, your math is slightly off (it's 150/730 21% equity requirement for SB). You also don't have to choose sizings that would create a devastating calling mistake, just ones that don't make things easy. It's the same reason you don't shove AA though on a different level.

In pots this big with this little left behind, almost everyone simply open jams their big hands here. They almost feel like they're freerolling; they know they're winning the big pot and so it's just gravy if anyone calls their bet (which they think most will anyways due to the lol left behind).

This freezing up on later streets when bad cards come / confusion over why 2 people have called us down in a huge pot (we begin to see monsters) / etc. is another reason why committing all our chips on earlier streets isn't a horrible idea. Quite a lotta boards will run out with backdoors coming in and potentially freezing us (like it looks like it did here).

GcluelessNLnoobG

...and that's fine, but if you're spot on about SBs range, 75% of the time you win the pot + the BTNs 180 when you shove and 25% of the time...you lose (probably less considering SB should have river leads like GG states above) SB seems sharp enough to bet river himself, especially considering he is deeper effective w the btn and is forced to lead. Gotta bet river AP - Not like you're gonna just sit there with 180 if you lose this pot, just gitfi. No need to tiptoe around in would be 500bb pots with the best hand most of the time.

I'm assuming you are referring to the H's suggestion of leading the turn for $150. If BTn calls the $150 then yeah it's $150 for a $730 pot for the SB. I didn't make any comment about SB calling this bet; the math i put for SB was only as actually played.

Nevertheless, you are definitely right, the point isn't about calculating to the 1% at the table; it's about making it hard/obviously incorrect for them to call with a draw. If BTN and/or SB had a draw, leading would have made it a lot harder for both BTN and SB to call $150 with their draw than as played having to call $110 in a larger pot.

I agree river was a huge mistake.

How much should we bet river after we see BTN check OOP? Maybe he DOESN’T call a shove.

gitfi

He folds K5o to an “all in” but may call “$150” though?

Momo,

Wtf are these questions?

You have $200 left, right?

They put in $160 each on the turn.

There’s $760 in the middle.

Why are you asking about river bet sizing?

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Answer above.

Mono, the river sizing question is very similar to the turn sizing except it's even more clearcut (given the size of the pot, the relatively small $$$ size of the bet, and the fact there is no threat of a huge bet coming behind it on the next street). If anyone is calling a $150 river bet at this point, they are calling a $200 bet *at the exact same frequency* (for real, to the 10th decimal point).

GcluelessNLnoobG