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03-14-2018 , 05:51 PM

Dacriz

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Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 291

1/2. Hero mid thirties white guy with $420, playing tight. Just lost $400 in set under set.

Villain thirtyish white guy. Nothing majorly aggressive but knows what he is doing. Has taken a couple stabs, almost definitely sees me as tight.

Villain raises to $10 UTG. He has been raising once an orbitish, cbetting a little, not showing much down. He has $270ish. Everyone folds. Hero has A

in bb and flats.

Flop K

Kspade:10

. check/check

Turn 7

. I bet $15 into pot $20, he calls.

River 8

. i check to let him bluff, he bets $35, I raise to $70, he ships.

About 170 to call. what do we do?

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03-14-2018 , 08:18 PM

sierradave

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...Hate myself for so completely underrepping my hand?

Flushes got there, J9 got there, and a ton of boats got there.

Your hand looks like a king, a ten, or a flush draw when you bet the turn. Your check-raise on the river looks like a flush at minimum. You haven't seen him spazz yet, so the default expectation is that he can beat a flush.

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03-14-2018 , 08:57 PM

twitcherroo

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snap call. V's do idiotic stuff.

I should also note i hate literally every other thing you did in this hand. I hate the pre flop sizing, the flop check, the turn sizing, the river check and the river reraise sizing. Despite all of this V is trying to give you his money. Take his money.

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03-14-2018 , 11:50 PM

Resurgence

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Join Date: Feb 2018 Posts: 39

If you check to let him bluff, why raise? I'd just bet river. As played, I think you have to call, but I hate it.

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03-15-2018 , 12:11 AM

Koss

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I fold this. Sometimes this is another naked K or some other weird spazz but I expect to see a flush or boat here mostly. I dont think I have ever seen a 3bet river bluff at 1/2. Some overplays sure, but not often enough to make a call here good.

I dont like the river check. just lead 2/3 pot. What hands do you think he calls the turn with that you think he is going to suddenly bluff with? Do you really think he is firing something like AQ/AJ here?

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03-15-2018 , 10:12 AM

shorn7

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Originally Posted by twitcherroo

Hate to say it, but I also hate everything you did. And not a chance I am folding now.

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03-15-2018 , 12:25 PM

Dacriz

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Originally Posted by shorn7

Hate to say it, but I also hate everything you did. And not a chance I am folding now.

Yeah I posted this because I def felt I butchered it. Out of position cost me. You guys arent checking the flop to pre-flop agressor?

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03-15-2018 , 12:41 PM

Lurshy

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Call the floor - two king spades in the deck.

With your chk raise river, and he reraise 3 bet ai, I cant see the as a bluff. Fold.

But as you need to fold to reraise, just call his small river bet closing the action.

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03-15-2018 , 01:30 PM

shorn7

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Originally Posted by Dacriz

Yeah I posted this because I def felt I butchered it. Out of position cost me. You guys arent checking the flop to pre-flop agressor?

Dont sweat it....even the best players (which I am not) butcher a hand from time to time. The good news is that you knew you did, posted it here, and are learning from it. Can't ask more of yourself than that.

I donk this flop because it looks like a great one for V's range and maybe he spazzes and you can get him to commit his stack when you are close to sure you are ahead (flop and turn). By checking the flop, you let him get to the river cheaply enough that he gets to play much closer to optimally.

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03-15-2018 , 03:45 PM

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twitcherroo

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Dacriz - i’m Far from an expert but I do make a lot of money. The biggest leaks I see around here are sizing and failing to get max value. It’s hard to make a hand in hold em. When you get there find a way to get chips into the pot. You’re playing $270 effective, you catch AK, flop trips and the turn bricks and at that point you’d put $25 into the pot? How are you ever going to make money like this? The small preflop sizing error is compounded once you finally bet. The flop check is AIDS. Just bet, no one believes the flop lead. Bet this 100% of the time.

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03-15-2018 , 04:03 PM

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setintostraight

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Hard to say with butchered suits in the hand.

Hard to give advice because every street feels butchered except turn.

Assuming there are 3 spades on the board, this is a trivial fold. No one at LLSNL 3! without a flush in this scenario. Or maybe he even has pocket 10s

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03-15-2018 , 04:16 PM

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BackDoorFlush

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As played, fold river. We literally beat nothing. There is no way that he plays KQ this way.

Even though it's UTG vs BB, with no dead money, I still prefer a 3! over a flat. V is not a nit. AK is crushing his range.

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03-15-2018 , 04:25 PM

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Dacriz

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Sorry, I didn't have king of spades. River did bring in back door flush.

Thanks for the feedback. I am a profitable player, but looking for ways to improve.

I folded the river, he didnt show. I couldnt beat anything at that point. I am glad I posted this hand- always auto check to pre flop raiser heads up. I will have to reconsider this.

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