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07-06-2018 , 06:25 PM
Hero: ( not me but I was at the table. I am not involved in the hand) $320 HJ: MAWG. Tight aggressive. Been at the table for 2 hrs now. A straight forward player

Villian: $600 UTG : 30s white guy. Rarely raise preflop as he has only done it twice. Both went to showdown and he showed QQ and JJ

Hero has A10

Limped 2 ways to Hero who makes it $15

Villian #1 ask the dealer who was the raiser, once the dealer pointed to hero, villian called. One more callers

Flop is
JA4

Villian checks, the other caller checks, Hero makes it $25

Villian thinks for a moment. Shuffles his chips for a few times then calls

Other caller folds

Turn is J

villian makes it $55 instantly

Hero thinks for a moment (a minute ish) then calls

River is a 2

Villian thinks for a moment, makes it $150

Hero??
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07-06-2018 , 07:11 PM
Fold. ATs should be pretty low in Hero's range by the river, and Villain bet big, so he doesn't need to call very wide.
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07-06-2018 , 07:32 PM
Check flop. You don't need to be betting the middle of your range just because it connects with the board. It will be alot easier to get paid by worse A's and J's on the turn (obv not this time). V's might even bet turn/river for you.

It's not a 3-street hand. You have position, thus you wield power over the size of the pot. Why do you want to make it big now?
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07-06-2018 , 07:34 PM
Probably a fold, but it’s a great spot for a thinking villain to lead turn with both value and bluffs.
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07-06-2018 , 07:58 PM
^ villain is not going to have that many Jx given that he's oop and flop is 3way he's not in a fun spot if he peels all his Jx on the flop. If this was heads up then ya ofc

As played I fold river but honestly I don't hate a call. He's repping exclusively Jx and bluffs. If you were a lot deeper a shove with 4x would be fun
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07-07-2018 , 12:24 PM
Check flop
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07-07-2018 , 01:00 PM
I'm currently talking to the Hero mentioned in this hand, and he doesn't understand why two of you say to check the flop. The flop has 2 diamonds and 2 Broadway cards, half the deck is gonna be a very unpleasant turn card. So why would we check the flop in this situation??
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07-07-2018 , 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by mdelore
Check flop
If that's the case, what would you do if a JQKT or diamonfld comes out on turn and they bet at you. What are you going to do? Just call down then??
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07-07-2018 , 01:34 PM
Call turn and play the river.
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07-07-2018 , 02:53 PM
You played this fine. Top pair/mediocre kicker on an ugly board is just a high variance situation.

Preflop sizing might be a little small but that varies by table a lot. Flop bet is standard. You can bet for value but your hand isn't good enough to trap. With multiple opponents you could check for pot control but the board isn't super terrible and you only have 2 opponents. You should be betting here way more then checking.

Turn is worst card in the deck and folding to a bet is standard. With a good read on villain's bluffing range or some draw you can call but here your just guessing and it isn't worth finding out.
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07-08-2018 , 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Jarretman
^ villain is not going to have that many Jx given that he's oop and flop is 3way he's not in a fun spot if he peels all his Jx on the flop. If this was heads up then ya ofc

As played I fold river but honestly I don't hate a call. He's repping exclusively Jx and bluffs. If you were a lot deeper a shove with 4x would be fun
Well, given he’s a fishy player that limped utg, im sure he’s calling Jx at a high frequency otf.

I think river is really close. It’s pretty suspect that he fires $55 instantly ott though....
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07-08-2018 , 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Jarretman
^ villain is not going to have that many Jx given that he's oop and flop is 3way he's not in a fun spot if he peels all his Jx on the flop. If this was heads up then ya ofc

As played I fold river but honestly I don't hate a call. He's repping exclusively Jx and bluffs. If you were a lot deeper a shove with 4x would be fun
Well, given he’s a fishy player that limped utg, im sure he’s calling Jx at a high frequency otf.

I think river is really close. It’s pretty suspect that he fires $55 instantly ott though.... i think if he actually had 44 or Jx, he’d at least think for a bit
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07-08-2018 , 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by mdelore
Check flop
this, hand plays easier this way (then you call most turn bets). people will also try and bluff you on the turn a lot b/c they'll put you on an underpair to the ace.
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07-09-2018 , 12:41 PM
After a couple of limpers and in marginal position, I think this hand plays better as an overlimp. I'll get flamed for that. We did manage to narrow the field to 3way and in position, so decent result.

SPR is just under 7, so big bets will get us perhaps into commitment issues, although against straightforward players not as much. On this drawy board I'd just bet/fold a couple of streets of reasonable-but-not-too-large sizes and then decide if I have a river value bet or should check back. So I'm cool with the flop bet.

Against a straightforward player, I mostly fold to the turn donk. It's highly exploitable, but it's highly unlikey he's exploiting us.

The only real reason to argue a turn call is to see what he does on the river, where we can now super safely fold against a straightforward player. But I think calling the turn gets too expensive against these guys.

I mean, it might change given better reads, but a straightforward guy limp/called a raise from EP, called a flop bet 3ways, then started donking the turn and river. We're hardly ever good unless our reads our way off.

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