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1/3: Top pair and flush draw in position HU 1/3: Top pair and flush draw in position HU

04-20-2017 , 10:00 AM
Wed evening, about 2200 hrs, 1/3, 9 players
Loose, fishy table generally, a couple of competent regs

Everyone folds to Hero ($450) on button who has As Ks, and open raises to $15
SB folds
Villain in BB (35yo Asian TAG reg, 15/10, $240) calls

Flop ($31): Ad 6s 5s
Villain checks, Hero checks

Turn ($31): Jc
Villain leads out for $15, Hero raises to $35, Villain reraises to $90, Hero calls

River ($211): Ah
Villain shoves for remaining $135

What do you do? Do you think I played this wrongly earlier in the hand?
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04-20-2017 , 10:15 AM
Bet the flop,
This looks alot like a set from villan or aj.....but I'm.juat not sure I can fold this, I don't think we are deep enough to be thinking about folding aaak tbh.....less than a 100bb
Idk I want to say fold because I feel like villan always has a boat here, but the way this hand has played I feel like we have to call....
Should have bet the flop, hope he check raised us, then gii....
We could have gii on the turn aswell here which wouldnt be terrible.....
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04-20-2017 , 10:44 AM
That flop check is horrendous, I have no idea what you're trying to accomplish.

As played, not a fan of the turn raise either. It's a weird line but to the extent you rep anything you're overrepping your hand a little. Your hand actually looks most like JJ.

I guess I call river, I have no idea what we beat really but we do have three of a kind aces, top kicker, that's a pretty good hand and if villain has a better one I'm going to need to see it. The way the hand played out really exposed the turn raise btw, the raise just got you action from a likely better hand and you couldn't even fold the turn because you're drawing.
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04-20-2017 , 10:52 AM
You definitely should have bet the flop. There's no reason to check. Your range of hands from the B is wide and a bet looks like a cbet.

Your line is a little weird and potentially has lured the villain into thinking AQ or KJ is good. At the same time, he could very well have AJ or a set.

I don't see myself folding here.
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04-20-2017 , 11:51 AM
I'd probably more open to 10% of SB/BB stack, so $25, so that I can stack off trivially postflop. Although I'm not sure if that sizing will fly in a game that is "folded to the Button" (I'm not familiar with that term).

SPR is 7.5. We've got TPTK and a flush draw, so we should have fairly monster equity in this pot overall. So I bet with my really good equity on the flop for value (noting I'm probably cbetting this flop 100% of the time in this HU situation when I whiff, so I'm certainly going to do it when I flop monster equity). Any reason we checked? I'd then evaluate from there (often planning on checking back the turn UI and going for one more street of value on the river).

As played, I would just call the turn donk. Guy is tight and just called a preflop raise HU OOP and has now decided to lead after our flop check, which is typically (a) air or (b) a real hand. If it's air, we don't want to blow him off bluffing the river. If it's a real hand, we're ahead of AQ, but AJ and sets are all way ahead (is his range really much wider than that?), plus we'd hate to face a re-raise where we'll probably have to fold and not get to realize our flush draw equity.

Thanks to his poor sizing we're getting slightly over 3:1 and in position with money behind, so we probably have the odds to chase our flush draw (although it's possible some of our outs are no good and have poor RIO). Really can't stand the turn raise, tbh.

On the river we really only beat AQ. And yet is this guy re-raising on the turn with AQ when it looks like we were waiting in the weeds on the turn with AA/AJ/JJ/etc. and raising? It looks like he's attempting to target our big Ax hands with his fullhouse, unless he's capable of getting out of line.

Gshouldn'thaveputourselvesinthisspotontheturn,imoG
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04-20-2017 , 07:13 PM
Runout: I called with great reluctance, and Villain shows 66. I lose.
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04-20-2017 , 07:23 PM
Yeah, that's a pretty gross spot. Wish you didn't post results so soon. I was leaning towards fold, I don't see him 3 betting the turn without having you crushed.
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04-20-2017 , 07:41 PM
Actually, I was posting from the perspective of the Villain. I was actually dealt pocket sixes in this hand and flopped a set. The Villain was clearly the best opponent on the table which says something about the 1/3 game here. Just wanted to try posting something here from a different perspective and maybe learn a bit more.
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04-21-2017 , 11:49 AM
Might want to read the stickies, this reverse HH stuff ain't smiled upon here.

Here's one thing I would take to heart here: unless your opponent is super bad, purely setmining HU OOP to the preflop aggressor is highly unlikely to be profitable. So I would have folded preflop.

You're facing a Button raise when it's folded to him, which means he likely has a very wide range, which means it's likely he won't have anything worth paying off with even when we hit our set. And if we don't hit our set, what exactly are we going to do postflop? Yeah, he probably doesn't have anything on the KT7 flop when he cbets, but are we really going to continue OOP? And even here, look how ******ed and unlucky we needed the Villain to be in this case before we actually made money. Preflop we called $12 extra, which means we need to make up about $90 postflop just to breakeven; we didn't get to the $90 mark until Villain stupidly raised the turn and called the reraise (most non horrendous players wouldn't have done either). In fact, if he simply called the turn donk and a PSB on the river, we would have still come up way short of breaking even. Basically, we got very lucky here that all the stars aligned, in that he had hand, hit his hand, his hand "improved", and he also played it horribly.

Gyou'rebleedingmoneyanddon'tevenrealizeitG
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04-21-2017 , 04:24 PM
Fine with the check on the flop against a loose opponent to induce betting.

Raising the turn lol. This is a call if anything. I don't know why a lot of players do this "see where I'm at" raise. If you're going to reraise there it needs to be a larger sizing. I don't even like the reraise but if you do your prob just sticking it all in.
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04-21-2017 , 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
Might want to read the stickies, this reverse HH stuff ain't smiled upon here.

Here's one thing I would take to heart here: unless your opponent is super bad, purely setmining HU OOP to the preflop aggressor is highly unlikely to be profitable. So I would have folded preflop.

You're facing a Button raise when it's folded to him, which means he likely has a very wide range, which means it's likely he won't have anything worth paying off with even when we hit our set. And if we don't hit our set, what exactly are we going to do postflop? Yeah, he probably doesn't have anything on the KT7 flop when he cbets, but are we really going to continue OOP? And even here, look how ******ed and unlucky we needed the Villain to be in this case before we actually made money. Preflop we called $12 extra, which means we need to make up about $90 postflop just to breakeven; we didn't get to the $90 mark until Villain stupidly raised the turn and called the reraise (most non horrendous players wouldn't have done either). In fact, if he simply called the turn donk and a PSB on the river, we would have still come up way short of breaking even. Basically, we got very lucky here that all the stars aligned, in that he had hand, hit his hand, his hand "improved", and he also played it horribly.

Gyou'rebleedingmoneyanddon'tevenrealizeitG
Sorry of I have mis-read this post but are you advocating folding 66 out of the bb vs a button raise?

Let's perhaps not use the way this hand has gone as an example because both hero and villan which ever way you look at it have butchered this hand, but 66 out of the bb is a slam dunk defend,
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04-22-2017 , 11:06 AM
Shorter GG: Never ever play any hand out of the blind heads up that isn't a value threebet.
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04-22-2017 , 11:09 AM
I call, i don't see how for that little remaining you fold trips
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04-24-2017 , 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by ronrabbit
Sorry of I have mis-read this post but are you advocating folding 66 out of the bb vs a button raise?

Let's perhaps not use the way this hand has gone as an example because both hero and villan which ever way you look at it have butchered this hand, but 66 out of the bb is a slam dunk defend,
A "defend"? Of what? Our lol meaningless 1bb? We end up costing ourselves far more *if* we're purely setmining (which I'm guessing OP is doing).

This is a slam dunk fold for non-experts who are purely setmining, for reasons I stated above.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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04-24-2017 , 11:44 AM
Grunch.

If he's really 15/10, what's his calling range in the BB?

Why check the flop and then raise the turn? If you're going to put that much money in, why not bet, bet? I initially thought you were checking back a street for pot control against someone that's not putting in big money without top/top beat, but that's inconsistent with a turn raise.

When V b/3b the turn, it's time for alarm bells to go off. This guy's tight and OOP against a hand played very strongly (AJ has to be in his estimate of your range). Tight guy wants to get it all in? Before we call the 3b, it's time to decide if we're going all the way. I'm not and so I'm folding.

As played, I still think it's a fold on the river. Your hand really hasn't actually improved; it just looks like it has. The only hand he could reasonably have that you've drawn ahead of is 65 (presumably suited).

You're beating AQ (8 combos) and losing to AJ, JJ, 66, and 55 (15 combos). I would also tend to discount AQ here.

Edit:

Yeah, OK ignore all that. Turns out not what this thread is about.

Yes, fold PP in the blind HU against button open raise with only 20x the raise behind. PFR range is wide, so it's hard to get paid and there's only 20x back, so it's impossible to win a truly gigantic pot. If V has tendencies you can exploit (will stack off light, can be moved off a hand with aggression, tends to play face-up, etc.) then you might be able to profitably call, but position is critically important -- often more important than your cards. HU OOP against a wide range is not a good scenario with a hand that really wants to either fold the flop or get stacks in.

And please don't post reverse HH.
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