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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
How often does a Villain described as aggro show up with JJ/TT due to preflop?
And if he does has JJ/TT, is he raising the turn / betting the river for value? Or as a bluff?
GIthinkwe'reoverthinkingthings,imoG
It wasn't my range. I was responding to a range provided by another poster.
In my opinion V's range, and our perceived range are pretty much all over the place. If I were a spectator in this hand I'd say either a) both players have big hands and both had the same idea to tricky slow play the flop or b) both players just spiked a monster when an offsuit 5 turned *pffft* or c) both players have huge ranges that includes tons of garbage and they're now in a levelling war with each other because they both think the other guy has crap after checking the flop.
We happen to know that our hand is not garbage, but the jury is still out on v's hand. A 4-bet on the turn removes all doubt. We're often behind when called, and we surrender every dollar earned when V bluffs, or check/calls somewhat light on the river.
With no flush draw, the number of scary river cards is pretty low. And most of them are only mildly scary. A 4 completes some parts of v's range, but not others, so does a 9, etc.
If we're willing to get it all in here, I say we do it in a way that brings the weakest range possible for villain, not the strongest.