I've usually started playing suited aces for flush over flush opportunities but should we be really limping these in early position?

If we limp, 3-4 others limp behind us (standard in my games) and the LP raises to say $10-15, we are getting great odds and call, but we're OOP all the way.

So how should suited aces be played in different positions?

Limp up front with 100bb+ in passive games. If LP is attacking limpers, then fold.
In LP, over limp to keep smaller suited hands in.

I would only limp suited Aces in EP if there were tons of LP droolers, and stations who are guaranteed to pay me off for their entire stack when we hit.

Also, if I don't think that any of the LP people are agro and will put me in tough spots pre flop and on the flop.

Also, I have to feel good about people paying me off in large pots when I flop 2p and they flop TP/MK and them putting lots of money in the pot.

In general it's a bad idea to be limping suited Aces pre flop without specific reads about your table to back it up. Overflushing someone is pretty hard. It's hard (4% or less I believe) to flop a flush draw, which should be even lower is we assume that someone else has 2 of our suit. Then we only get the flush 28% of the time that we flop a flush draw (as there are only 7 of our suit left since someone else has the same suit) so we're even less likely to hit our flush. Plus the board might pair, and 100 other problems.

I'd just lay them down in EP.

When these situations pop up they're great but OOP and in a limp pot, even if you were to flop a flush and someone else flopped a lower flush, it's going to be hard to get stacks in in a limped pot. Would normally dump these in EP and over-limp in LP (raise if it's a very weak tight game), although in a slightly more aggressive game I've been able to limp/3b these to great effect. Thoughts?

What about AT/AJ sooted type hands in EP? Limp? Raise? Fold?

AS with all things in poker... it depends.

How tight if the rest of the table? These type hands are more TP type hands, that can also hit flush draws / flushes. They are not primarily played for their flush value. I would raise some of them of loose tables, fold them at tight aggressive tables, and if it's a mix it might depend on my image.

Position really is key in this game.
You can take mediocre hands and make a fortune with them with position, and you can get screwed with premium hands OOP. Just remember that.

The table has to be more then one of deep, passive and bad before limping ace-rag suited in EP or MP is +EV. Flush draws are just too obvious and too hard to get paid on OOP. These hands only play well when the table is deep and your in LP.

ATs/AJs depends on how the table will react to a raise. At a loose table just fold, you will be called by better aces too often and they become RIO hands. At tight tables where a raise will usually get 0 or 1 callers, then raising is best. Even at a tight table I usually only raise AJs in EP, but ATs in MP.

You will probably get varied opinions on the AJ/AT type of hands from EP. Whether to raise or fold these hands will have a lot to do with the table dynamics IMO. That being said I wouldn't limp early position with these hands.

If the table is loose/passive preflop (typical where I play), why do you propose folding AJ/ATs type hands in EP? If there are aggro players in LP, probably yes, but at a table of passive players, can't we just limp these hands knowing there won't be much raising?

As long as you have the disciple to fold on a single pair, limping these hands at very loose/passive tables can be OK when the table is deep enough to pay you off when you do hit two pair+.

What ends up makes these hands RIO at most loose/passive tables is too many villains will limp in behind with AQ/AK and you end up losing money with top pair. If you just check/fold all the time you give up the best hand too often, but if you bet you likely only called by better hands. Hitting a J or T is actually better but your still stuck playing a marginal value hand OOP. The table has to be very deep and passive before it is +EV long term, usually this is just one of those small leaks that is hard to notice but eats into your profit. It feels like your playing more actively and winning more when you play these marginal hands OOP. When you win though your mostly betting flop and taking it down, just winning a few blinds, +5BB or so a lot. When you lose, you lose more one or two streets of value, and now it's -15BB or more. Add in all the hands you limp and fold to a raise preflop or just give up on flop, and these hands drain off a lot of money over time even if your winning more then half the hands you bet.

I'll admit that I typically open limp Axs from EP (and typically call a reasonable raise if it looks like it will end up very multiway). I wish I had a database of all my hands, because I really couldn't tell you if it was profitable, but I'm *guessing* it is.

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this, i overlimp them in any position and raise in HJ CO BU after 0 or 1 limpers,

but multiway i always overlimp bc theres no piint playing a hge bloated pot even in position with them

also if deep i may occasinally call a 3bet in position if its very multiway