Hero new to table second hand

300 eff

Raise from UTG to 15

I 3 bet pocket kings to 50 UTG plus 1

Villain next to act Cole calls ( mid 60s WG. No read)

UTG folds

Flop is jack Ten three rainbow

I check because I figure a cold call to a three bet from an elderly player has so many pocket jacks and tens in his range that if I bet and get raised I would have to fold

He bed 50 and I call

Turn is a 9 completing the rainbow

I check and he bets 100

Call fold or ship?

Sorry this is 1/2

This is a great flop for KK. Checking here just puts you in an unclear situation. His preflop calling range also includes QQ, AK, AQs, maybe AJs possibly even wider. Bet the flop and continue from there. If he's a tight old guy (thinking OMC) we should proceed cautiously. Classic monsters under the bed to worry about JJ and TT here.

You’re right. But him being older played a role in my thinking ( bad habit to assume everyone who is older is an OMC).

Hypothetically if I bet half pot on flop and get raised what would be the optimal play?

I wouldn’t call this a great flop but it’s not a bad one. I’m definitely cbetting here but if I did that, I’d probably check back the turn even though we block KQ. V cold flatting a 3b behind is going to have a ton of 99-JJ here.

As played, I’d probably exploitively fold KK here unless I had a read otherwise. You can’t call with $100 behind because you’d be priced in to call the river at that point. I think it’s fold < shove <<<<<< call

I was even thinking he could have a sneaky pair of aces here. I feel like the only value hand I beat that he could possibly take this line with is QQ putting me on ace king betting to deny equity

It's also kind of funny that you think that a mid-60s person is elderly.

Disclaimer: I'm in my mid-50s

PF, I consider flatting in this position unless UTG is a fish we want to iso. Disguises the strength of our hand with the intent to trap a squeezer. Worst result is getting multiple callers behind and going to the flop in EP multiway, but if you are capable of getting away post facing lots of action or making decent reads it's a risk I think is worth it.

AP, I cbet flop. If called by an older/OMC type I proceed to the turn with some caution and probably check/call a reasonable bet on a 9 turn because we double block KQ.

Terrible idea to flat utg1 and hope for a squeeze at 1-2. Not only do 1-2 players rarely squeeze, but the configuration of an EP raise and call makes it even less likely someone will squeeze.

More likely, we start a cascade of calls and go 5+ ways OOP. Good luck with that.

AP, probably call off since your hand is under-repped and it would be disastrous if he has QQ.

I would bet flop since we can get value from lots of hands. Being afraid of getting XR is not a reason to check.


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In my usual 1/3 game (only stake available, no 1/2, no 2/5+), I see frequent squeezes from LAG players pre, some good some LAGtards. I flat with premiums in these scenarios all the time and print because they see a cold caller or two and auto squeeze without ever adjusting. If your game plays different, adjust accordingly.

Unless you are balancing this flatting range, squeezing V's from LP will be printing money against you in the long run. What are you doing with hands like 78s, 66, KQ, etc?


Just because you can catch them squeezing doesn't make it the most profitable play, especially OOP.

They have to be complete spazz spewey maniacs who 3x barrel with air who will never adjust to your obvious exploit.

You are arguing against your own point. Never including strong hands in your flatting range here caps your range, which allows villains to exploit that capped range by 3betting. That's the whole strategic concept of squeezing in the first place. I'm not saying flat here with 100% frequency, but never doing it is not optimal in my opinion.

I called the 100. River was a 3 pairing board. He shoves final 100. I obviously call given pot size?

At action tables I'd often flat preflop if I'm expecting a 3bet a large percentage of the time. Although that's obviously a very risky play, so I'm cool with just 3betting ourselves (I probably go slightly larger to $55 to prevent setmining odds even more since we won't be able to fold postflop on non-Ace flops but whatever).

Facing the cold call is a little interesting. My guess of a range here would be TT+/AK from most opponents (a lot of them even flatting AA/KK here). So even though a couple of hands have moved ahead (and one was already ahead) I think there's enough AK (overcards + gutshot)/QQ where we'll likely have to just sigh stack off in this SPR ~2ish pot. So I probably just bet the flop to shove the turn; if we're getting a bluffy vibe at all, I'd be cool with a check/shove.

Overall I think we have to either get the chips in on the flop or by open shipping the turn ourselves (at this point we only have $200 left in a $215 pot, so I feel committed and don't think we should be giving free cards). As played, probably sigh getting it all in.

ETA: Note that I assumed this was 1/3 NL. Things likely change a little given it's 1/2 NL since I'm assuming $300 plays a little different (i.e. doesn't get in quite as easily as it would at 1/3 NL in this spot).

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