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1/3 straddled pot KQo TP2K wet board 1/3 straddled pot KQo TP2K wet board

03-21-2014 , 08:34 PM
V1 (1500)- 50 yo white male, loose station
V2 (243)- 55 yo asain male, tight, hasn't been at the table long but hasn't gotten out of line
V3 (400)- 50 to asian male, tag, on tilt and spewing
Hero's Image (600)- 25 yo white male, tag

Preflop (10):
Hero is MP dealt KQ
V1 limps UTG, Hero raises to 30, V2 calls from LP, V3 calls from straddle, V1 folds.

Flop (95):
Q106
Checked to Hero who bets 60, V2 calls, V3 folds.

Turn (215):
9
Hero checks, V2 bets 60, Hero c/r to 135, V2 calls.

River (485):
J
Hero bets 18, V2 calls.

OTT I am a little hesitant to GII but the SPR is so low I figure I am commited and have some possible redraws. If I call I might as well shove to get value from draws (actually misclicked because I thought I raised enough to cover his stack)

Last edited by pure_aggression; 03-21-2014 at 08:43 PM.
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03-21-2014 , 08:37 PM
More OTF

You can pot this and get called by worse

Just shove the turn yourself

You can still get called by QJ, flush draws, and J9. You dont want him to check back with his draws
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03-22-2014 , 10:54 AM
He has $150 left on turn....why are you check raising??? As Duke stated...u don't want him checking back w/his draws. Just bet and put the money in there on turn....
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03-22-2014 , 11:14 AM
I really really really like the check/evaluate on the turn IF you raise when he bets $60. You said you misclicked the turn raise size so I understand that. I still like betting like $95 myself though too.

Also just a few things, I like how short your kept your villain descriptions because it makes it easier to read through and give input. Also put positions next to their descriptions.

Other than that nh.
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03-22-2014 , 11:37 AM
I hate the turn c/r on that wet of a board. I think c/call is OK if to try and induce a bluff or thin value bet from weaker hands on dry boards, but on this board you just gotta bomb it out and be glad the deep stacked guys folded.
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03-22-2014 , 09:13 PM
This hand looks pretty standard to me.

Once you get to the flop, you have an SPR of ~2 vs V2; ~3.5 vs v3. Bet Flop at least 3/4 pot. Shove turn. Yes, I know it's multi-way. Yes, I know the board is wet.

We have TP2K. I'm stacking off 100% against these V
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03-23-2014 , 03:51 AM
I like 70 on flop, jam turn for 140 into 230
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03-23-2014 , 03:09 PM
the check raise is pretty poor and FPS. As others have said, bet the turn, value bet the river when you make your nut.
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03-23-2014 , 05:06 PM
Bet 90 otf. Ship the turn. After he calls the flop bet he's not folding.
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03-23-2014 , 05:09 PM
I really like c/r if villain has like 400 to start the hand
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03-23-2014 , 05:40 PM
^^why? Seems like we would be folding out worse and getting called only when we're beat. Unless you have history with said vill
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03-23-2014 , 06:09 PM
I expect V2's flop calling range to bet this turn when checked to a lot.

Especially because AK has 10 outs to improve on this board so he may be inclined to protect his hand
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03-23-2014 , 06:39 PM
A 55 yr old tight guy? If he put us on AK, he'd probably be raising otf for the reason you mentioned. I'd still prefer a bet bet line instead. Checking allows him to check back his fd's and weak q's which we want value from. If he bets these holding ott, he's likely to fold to a raise imo
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03-23-2014 , 08:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aesah
I like 70 on flop, jam turn for 140 into 230
X2. Checking turn is bad when you let him get there for free. When you make it $30 pre it should be with the intention of bet flop/shove turn when you hit.
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03-24-2014 , 12:30 PM
I think I'm ok with preflop. If there are a lotta deepstacks and table is loose, I actually wouldn't mind mucking here cuz we can get ourselves in so much trouble. The end result isn't horrible (we've narrowed the field to 3way) but it isn't fistpumpy great either (we've got a weird SPR in that I'm guessing we feel committed against tight V2 who has position on us but not committed against V3?).

Think I'm ok with the flop.

I think I feel committed against V2, although it's not a great spot. One of the draws did come in, and the only TP we're ahead of is QJ. But at this point we've got less than a PSB, and so if dude did outflop us after putting in ~12% of his stack preflop, good for him I guess (although, he is tight). No reason to allow all the draws to draw for free, imo, so I don't get tricky and I just shove now. If I know I have the guy covered, I just say "all-in" or push all my chips forward so I don't leave a stupid amount behind.

ETA: If we feel committed against both villain's on the flop, then I don't mind bombing the flop. The problem is that V3 got immediate + implied odds of about 18:1 to make the call preflop, so I'm not exactly pumped about stacking off to him postflop.

GcluelessNLnoobG

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