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1/3 Sticky spot with AA vs super LAG 1/3 Sticky spot with AA vs super LAG

08-28-2014 , 08:41 AM
1/3 500$ max at my normal game.

Hero: Semi LAG, early 30s part time reg at this game. Known for playing lots of pots in position and raising pre with speculative hands. Playing for about an hour and have 400$ eff. Have been up and down on this 400$ buy in down as low as 225$ and run it back. Last few sessions have been big wins for hero and this V has been present all of it and has contributed to my big wins.

V: 40ish Asian super LAG. Makes big bets when he smells weakness with big draws and middle/bottom pair. 3 recent sessions history with hero. Plays speculative hands from any position and calls almost every raise of mine as I do his. Stuck 500$ in this seating, rebought to 500$ soon before this hand. Covers hero.

Hero MP raises to 15$ with red AA. V calls on BTN. BB calls.

Flop: JsTs6c

BB checks. Hero bets 65$. V snap shoves. BB folds.

I go into the tank. V is nearly impossible to range here. I know him well, so I put him on the spot and start talking. I say "why would you do that? Two pair? Set? No, you're stuck and on a draw, and you want to double up now without having to play this out." He says, "you're a good player, you have me figured out, I don't want to fold anymore rivers".

So I put him here on a flush draw at the least, maybe a combo draw, possibly OESFD or something huge. Either way, I'm looking at best a 50/50 for all my cash.

Hero?? Thoughts appreciated, I will share results soon.
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08-28-2014 , 09:04 AM
Combo draw probably makes the most sense. However, he probably has you pegged as being on a strong pocket pair, and I worry that he's shoving here because he is way ahead and thinks you will call.

I would personally fold, and based on your read, next time I would check/call my strong hands from oop against this guy.
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08-28-2014 , 09:22 AM
Unless I'm reading it wrong, it looks like there is only about $46 in pot on flop. Why overbet the flop? I'd just do normal 2/3 pot on flop: $30-$35.

His range is pretty wide here: flush draws, combo draws, sets, two pairs. Your way behind sets, behind two pairs, flipping/slightly behind combo draws, and ahead of flush draws. This seems like a fairly big overbet for just a flush draw so I'd discount that (maybe pair and a flush draw).

I think you are actually behind his range (despite him being a super lag). I think he's either looking for a fold with a combo draw or looking for a call when he's ahead. You'll still probably win about 35% of the time if you call, but I'd probably fold.

Last edited by Zaphod888; 08-28-2014 at 09:30 AM.
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08-28-2014 , 09:36 AM
OP says he is known for raising speculative hands, and when he raises AA and cbets we think villain puts him on an overpair?

I'm snapping this off vs V as described, however I'm with Zaphod IRT to flop overbet.
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08-28-2014 , 09:56 AM
Any other history, have you seen him to do this before? How does he play his big hands? Hard for me to give advice without some of that, my first instinct was to just muck it but the more I think bout it, not so sure, more info if you have any on V?

Also how does he view you? His shove and what he expects you to do has a lot to do with his perception of you.
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08-28-2014 , 10:05 AM
Yeah, that's what I was trying to figure out. Why would he blast $400 into a $100 pot?

Is he just trying to get a call with a better hand? Is he risking that much just to win a $100 pot? Is he a total spazz?
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08-28-2014 , 10:49 AM
I'm pretty sure he's tilted at this point, trying to make a big score against me specifcally. The day before, I was in a 3 way 800$ pot with him and he called my all in bet with a OESD. I won with bottom 2, dodging about 15 outs between the two players. If I bet 3/4 pot here, he likely comes OTT but not necessarily all in here too. If I check and he's on a made hand, he'd probably value bet, like 3/4 pot. If I check and he overbets, then I'm assured he's drawing almost 70% of the time. The shove to my slight overbet is something Ive never seen from this V without a made hand. And yes, he can spaz bluff or spaz bet, but I've begun to pick up his patterns.
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08-28-2014 , 12:05 PM
Call and ride the variance train.

I think this is a good spot to go in c/c mode and just let him keep firing into us.
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08-28-2014 , 12:16 PM
This isn't really $400 into $100.
It's a $320 raise into $175 thanks to our bad bet sizing.

I think we see two pair and sets here more often than we like.
We essentially screamed to the world 'I HAVE AN OVERPAIR! DONT OUT DRAW ME'.

So, he says ok, can you fold your overpair and ships it in with a hand that's winning right now imo.

Fold.
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08-28-2014 , 12:55 PM
One thing to consider is to perhaps get a seat change closer to his left so that there is more likelihood of being in position on him in pots. This will probably help control the pot size in some spots, such as allowing us to check behind the flop if we don't want to face a check/shove.

As played, I would probably fold because I think we're very rarely crushing here, and so either way behind or flipping. The SPR is ~9, so I just don't think the risk vs reward is worth it. Plus keep in mind the BB was still to act when Villain did this move (which to me indicates more on the strength end of things).

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08-28-2014 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by BaconMaker
1/3 500$ max at my normal game.

Hero: Semi LAG, early 30s part time reg at this game. Known for playing lots of pots in position and raising pre with speculative hands. Playing for about an hour and have 400$ eff. Have been up and down on this 400$ buy in down as low as 225$ and run it back. Last few sessions have been big wins for hero and this V has been present all of it and has contributed to my big wins.

V: 40ish Asian super LAG. Makes big bets when he smells weakness with big draws and middle/bottom pair. 3 recent sessions history with hero. Plays speculative hands from any position and calls almost every raise of mine as I do his. Stuck 500$ in this seating, rebought to 500$ soon before this hand. Covers hero.

Hero MP raises to 15$ with red AA. V calls on BTN. BB calls.

Flop: JsTs6c

BB checks. Hero bets 65$. V snap shoves. BB folds.

I go into the tank. V is nearly impossible to range here. I know him well, so I put him on the spot and start talking. I say "why would you do that? Two pair? Set? No, you're stuck and on a draw, and you want to double up now without having to play this out." He says, "you're a good player, you have me figured out, I don't want to fold anymore rivers".

So I put him here on a flush draw at the least, maybe a combo draw, possibly OESFD or something huge. Either way, I'm looking at best a 50/50 for all my cash.

Hero?? Thoughts appreciated, I will share results soon.
Grunch.

Uh, why did you over bet the flop? The pot is $45 - rake right? So like... ~$40?

I would call here. I mean this board is really draw heavy and you don't have the As (which is good since he can have AsXs). Too many draws for me to fold against a player with this description... With that said, his speech and the fact that you bet so string OTF and he still raised kinda makes me want to fold.
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08-28-2014 , 01:06 PM
You've never seen him do this without a made hand? Fold. You'll get your money back eventually -- and then some.
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08-28-2014 , 04:05 PM
I appreciate all the replies. I still think I had to lead the pot. Bet sizing was a mistake. Had I thrown my normal c-bet at it, I think he would have just called. He knew something was off, I'm guessing.

After some deliberation, I did fold. I was mostly right. He held K6s giving him bottom pair with he draw. I'm a 49% to 51% dog here, so yeah. Coin toss. Even though my image is a little LAGy at this game, I didn't want to take the flip for my whole buyin.

He did give us all the money eventually later that session, cleaned him out by a rivered straight that he simply couldn't believe.
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08-28-2014 , 04:43 PM
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Coin toss.
Not that it would probably change anything, but keep in mind this really isn't a coin toss EV wise due to the dead money in the pot (i.e. even though we are a coin toss to win in this particular results oriented case, we win more $$$ than we lose).
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