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12-13-2018 , 02:04 PM
Playing 1/3. My table is the action table in the room, mainly due to two other regs/pros who have been inducing a lot of action and have massive stacks ($1800 and $1300). Game has lots of straddles, and some large pots. I have $1700 FWIW. This action is attracting other players in the room, as there's probably around $7k in chips on the table. There is a deep 2/5 game, and a deep 5/5 PLO game so this isn't people's only choice for action.

My image: definitely "the kid". Young white guy who has been un-ironically mistaken for a high schooler at this table. Played some pots with the regs but mostly either in position or with very strong hands. 3-bet 76s vs. one and got paid off with 2pair. Got a couple of ill-advised bluffs called at showdown vs. recs. Not sure how aware others are off this, but I play very straight-forwardly in multi-way pots, especially OOP.

CO: Somewhere in between tight passive and loose passive. Paid his AA off earlier when I tried an ill-advised squeeze with AJo and he put his $150 stack in and I called getting like 9:1 (I didn't show, so for all he knows I had KK). Otherwise just have seen him limp/call and play fit or fold post.

MP: Odd playing style I haven't encountered much up to this point. Have seen very little pre flop raising from him, but is sort of aggressive post and definitely has bluffs at times. Made a joke about being the tightest player at the table when he moved, so he seems to have a reputation as someone who is tight (as he definitely wasn't loose). He moved to our table because our table has more action and has some regs he knows. Definitely is a recreational player, though. Has only been at the table for about two orbits but him and I have a history:

Past hand:
Pre: V limps UTG, another caller. I raise to $20 from MP with AdQh. UTG calls others fold.

Effective Stack $300.

Flop ($40): A82r. V donks $30. I call.

Turn: ($100): 5x V bets $40 I call.

River: ($180): Kx V bets $60 I call.

V shows KJo.

OTTH

Pre:

Effective stack is $300

4-5 limps to me in the BB, I raise to $25 with JdJc. Calls from MP (main villain) and CO.

Flop ($80).:

T87r.

I bet $60. MP raises to $130. CO folds.

Hero: ????

Last edited by JohnRusty; 12-13-2018 at 02:30 PM.
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12-13-2018 , 02:38 PM
Hero shoves
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12-13-2018 , 03:00 PM
Fold pre. Ok, no, don't do that. But fold pre! Maybe.

As played your hand looks like an overpair and V min-raises, pretty much begging you to jam it in there. Eh, you've got an overpair and pot is big, guess I'd just pile it in there and pray given V description.
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12-13-2018 , 04:02 PM
Kind of a sh*t spot, but I don't think you can ever get away from JJ-AA here for these stack sizes. Rip it in.
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12-13-2018 , 04:08 PM
Against a tight villain, folding might be ok if he recognizes you are tight and not barreling this multiway without a pair. If he raises at and worse, cant fold.
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12-13-2018 , 04:25 PM
I think we have to stack off here vs this V. Not only do we have an overpair but we have straight blockers and a gut shot on a rainbow board. If this guy can donk double barrel K high against our raising range and continue to triple barrel with second pair he can also raise here with a ton of hands we beat. Tx, A9, almost any 9x. Sure, we are behind his two pair hands and some stronger hands but does he play is nutted hands this aggressively as well? Really not much need to raise a straight on a rainbow flop in position when we are betting at it given our stack sizes.
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12-13-2018 , 07:56 PM
If you couldn't tell by the title, I ended up shipping it, figuring I double blocked the nuts, and had like 25% equity against besides a straight. He snapped me off with KK, which was surprising to me.

Thoughts on flatting this bet, and then folding all non J or 9 turns?
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12-14-2018 , 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by c0rnBr34d
I think we have to stack off here vs this V. Not only do we have an overpair but we have straight blockers and a gut shot on a rainbow board. If this guy can donk double barrel K high against our raising range and continue to triple barrel with second pair he can also raise here with a ton of hands we beat. Tx, A9, almost any 9x. Sure, we are behind his two pair hands and some stronger hands but does he play is nutted hands this aggressively as well? Really not much need to raise a straight on a rainbow flop in position when we are betting at it given our stack sizes.
I like your reasoning about needing to stack off here, except that the donk triple barrel with KJ was not this villain =P

I wouldn't put much weight on the small check-raise being a "please shove on me because I have the nuts." I think we see villain have a pair and straight draw much more often than a made straight, and we hold 2 of his outs.
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12-14-2018 , 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnRusty
If you couldn't tell by the title, I ended up shipping it, figuring I double blocked the nuts, and had like 25% equity against besides a straight. He snapped me off with KK, which was surprising to me.

Thoughts on flatting this bet, and then folding all non J or 9 turns?
That is very surprising indeed! But not your fault at all - no way could you accurately read this villain's nonsense way of playing his hand.

Hate the idea of calling and folding the turn. By that time you've put in half the effective stack; you'd need only 25% equity to break even on calling a turn jam, which I'm sure you have.

No way to count hand combos because villain is playing nonsense strategy, but I can definitely see villain having a pair and a straight draw here which on a non J or 9 or 6 turn you're way ahead of.
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12-14-2018 , 12:52 AM
It’s a fold for me


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12-14-2018 , 08:57 AM
Sorry if I was unclear, the drink triple barrel was from this V
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