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Old 09-18-2014, 11:37 PM   #1
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1/3 Small hand, big pot

Hero - (450)Mid-20's youngest at the table by 20 years, been playing TAG for my time at the table (45 mins). but may be viewed otherwise because of age discrepancy.

V1 - (covers)LAG pre. The game is centered around him at the moment. Polarizing post, bets big with air and the nuts, otherwise goes into check/call mode. Will peel light.

V2 - (500) Loose passive pre, if he raises it's top 5% of starting hands. Limp/calls up front often. Decent at hand reading, obviously thinking player. Acts with purpose and with reasonable expectation and consideration.

Action:

V1 limps UTG.

Hero raises to 15 from UTG2 w/ AdAh

MP calls.

V2 in SB and V1 calls.

- To get it HU or 3-way I would need to raise to at least 30, which turns my hand face up. Considered trying to limp/rr, but the most likely V to PFR just limped (V1). Elected to go with "small" (but more than table standard) sizing and hope to get 3bet.

Flop (57) 5c7c9h

Checks to Hero who bets 40, V2 in SB calls, V1 folds.

- Betting to charge draws and overpairs, 56, 67, and 89.

Turn (137) 3h

Checked to Hero, who bets 65.

I considered checking behind but felt that would be a mistake against the weight of his range.

V2 in SB raises to 165.

Hero....?

Really confounded here.With so many draws in his range I had to bet the turn for value. Further, I felt any flopped two pair or set would have raised OTF to deny V1 odds. The turn brings in 64, but other than that is innocuous.
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Old 09-19-2014, 01:18 AM   #2
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Re: 1/3 Small hand, big pot

I'd check back on the turn and probably b/f river if checked to. Being that he is loose and in the SB he can easily have hit this flop hard. At this point you're only beating a bluff and semi bluffs like a pair and straight/flush draw. So call if you think he is bluffing or semi bluffing and fold if he's not. I would probably just fold. I honestly expect to see 68 here a lot. He just called the flop hoping other V would come along. Now that he folded he know's you probably have an over pair and is going for value.
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Old 09-19-2014, 04:26 AM   #3
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Re: 1/3 Small hand, big pot

just fold. sucks. your hand is face up a lot and he is still check raising into you. the fact that you don't have the Ac sucks a bit, but turned hearts seems more reasonable to c/r here on this board and you have the Ah so he'd have to continue flop with some hand like 8h7h and I don't see opponents doing this at 1/3 to profitably continue with your hand.

(Id also bet the turn a bit larger).
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Old 09-19-2014, 07:32 AM   #4
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Re: 1/3 Small hand, big pot

i would definitely not check back the turn here. lots of hands will give you value on the turn here and a good majority of them will not pay off on the river (like draws that miss, or top/second pair when an overcard to the board hits). now is the time to get value, imo. you don't have to worry about being c/r bc of the passive player is going to be more honest.. and there's no big equity you'd be throwing away by folding.

id vote b/f on turn. and, depending on river card, id be planning a small value bet on river too.

agree that bet size should be a bit larger on turn.
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Old 09-19-2014, 03:52 PM   #5
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Re: 1/3 Small hand, big pot

Passive V c/r's the turn? Your overpair is dog**** against his range, fold.

Otherwise, WP. Absent the c/r, b/f every street unless a club or another straight card hits. Villian seems like he's probably pretty stationy, but we didn't really get much description of his postflop tendencies.

I even like the small turn sizing -- his range is pretty polarized between weak made hands (random 9s, 7s, and pockets), draws, and monsters. Small sizing keeps in the weaker parts of his range, gets value from draws, and saves us $ against the monsters. I doubt it induced spaz against a guy with 5% PFR, but we don't know much about his post-flop tendencies.
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Old 09-19-2014, 04:32 PM   #6
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Re: 1/3 Small hand, big pot

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Originally Posted by Cheers4Booze View Post
Turn (137) 3h

Checked to Hero, who bets 65.

I considered checking behind but felt that would be a mistake against the weight of his range.

V2 in SB raises to 165.
Grunching - you should be done with this hand right here. Fold. Not even close against a non-aggressive villain.
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Old 09-19-2014, 04:35 PM   #7
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Re: 1/3 Small hand, big pot

Betting turn was the right thing to do though. Standard line for hand - b/f flop and b/f turn. Consider calling raises from the LAG but not the other two.
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