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11-13-2013 , 04:44 PM
1/3 NL

Villain- Loose, moderately passive, not a nit but somewhere in-between. Have played with V before and clearly isn't a good, not even what I would call an average losing player. Overplays single pairs, AI with top 2 plus every time and will draw to almost all draws.
Hero - Has been playing TAG the whole session
Effective Stacks: 300
Preflop 10 handed

UTG: Fold
UTG1: Call
MP1: Call
Villain: Call
Hero in CO w/ (7d8d): Call
Folded to BB: Raises to 13
All call

Flop ($61)
Kx 10 6

UTG1: Check
MP1: Check
Villain: 15
Hero: Raise to 45
folded to villain who calls

Turn ($151)
5

Villain:15
Hero:?

Thoughts?

Spoiler:
Hero Raises to 45 and V folds. Looking back, it was moronic how low I raised. I/m thinking raising to around 80 is a better line.
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11-13-2013 , 04:46 PM
Raise more on flop for sure. 70-75 is good.

Turn yeah need to raise again. I would make it like 110+.

He is likely folding anyway though
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11-13-2013 , 05:00 PM
Hero needs to get v to put all his chips in.

As played, hero raises to ~50 OTT.

OTR we bet roughly the same again.

Our goal is to max value with our made hand. Here, we must bet small to make sure he calls. Yes we are technically "losing value", but the value of him folding is 0, we don't want to scare already scared money off with proper bet/raise sizing.

If you think he folds any raise, then flat and make a solid river raise. At that point, who cares if he calls because hes probably folding or betting small again. But, that was the most we were going to get so mission accompli.
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11-13-2013 , 05:05 PM
Probably making it a bit bigger on the flop, like 50-55$. As for the turn I'd raise to like 60-70$ since he's likely to fold alot to a bigger raise ( he will most likely fold to almost any raise)
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11-13-2013 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by trucdouf
Hero needs to get v to put all his chips in.

As played, hero raises to ~50 OTT.

OTR we bet roughly the same again.

Our goal is to max value with our made hand. Here, we must bet small to make sure he calls. Yes we are technically "losing value", but the value of him folding is 0, we don't want to scare already scared money off with proper bet/raise sizing.

If you think he folds any raise, then flat and make a solid river raise. At that point, who cares if he calls because hes probably folding or betting small again. But, that was the most we were going to get so mission accompli.
This is terrible. His full range of hands can include higher (ie AK, AT, KQ, etc.) that will continue.

In addition, we want to get as much money in as possible before another falls as that will shut down villain.

Just raise this at every chance flop on.
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11-13-2013 , 07:54 PM
Yeah, don't like flatting at all unless you have the nuts flush and even then. He can very well have a pair and some diamond that he doesn't fold.
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11-14-2013 , 08:40 AM
So Villain is bad and overvalued his hands... He leads a flop 4-way and we want to raise?
I can see a raise ok in "normal" circumstances but flat this flop.
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11-14-2013 , 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by bwslim69
This is terrible. His full range of hands can include higher (ie AK, AT, KQ, etc.) that will continue.

In addition, we want to get as much money in as possible before another falls as that will shut down villain.

Just raise this at every chance flop on.
I don't understand. You just called my play horrible, and then advocate nearly the same line.
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11-14-2013 , 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by trucdouf
If you think he folds any raise, then flat and make a solid river raise.
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Originally Posted by bwslim69
Just raise this at every chance flop on.
[ ] The same line
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11-15-2013 , 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by BeakWetter
So Villain is bad and overvalued his hands... He leads a flop 4-way and we want to raise?
I can see a raise ok in "normal" circumstances but flat this flop.
I was wondering this too... Can someone explain the merit behind raising this flop against this villain? I can understand this raise against a nit or tag because we have position and more f/e but why here?
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11-15-2013 , 03:27 PM
Raise pre-flop.
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11-15-2013 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by bwslim69
This is terrible. His full range of hands can include higher (ie AK, AT, KQ, etc.) that will continue.

In addition, we want to get as much money in as possible before another falls as that will shut down villain.

Just raise this at every chance flop on.
Yes. Want to see more terrible advice from this poster? Check out this thread and the line he advocates with a flopped set turned boat. http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...layed-1389193/
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11-15-2013 , 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by bwslim69
Raise more on flop for sure. 70-75 is good.

Turn yeah need to raise again. I would make it like 110+.

He is likely folding anyway though
This.

Flop is really pretty bad. I can see how you autopilot 3x'd but you need to be sizing in relation to the pot.
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11-15-2013 , 03:56 PM
We're playing against a fishy Villain who will overplay TP. Why do we want to bloat the pot and not realize our equity in the hand especially when we have three opponents left to act? Are you happy calling a shove from Villain or any other opponent? I wouldn't be, especially with the King being a non-diamond.

Your hand history is confusing. I'm guessing the PFR (BB) checked postflop? That's even more of a reason to just call in case he was slowplaying KK/TT or to keep him in with hands like QQ/JJ when he'll have < 10% equity. You have position on both aggressors to this point, use it to your advantage. You're also repping a very narrow value range (TT/66/KT).

As played Villain has about $225 left after his LOLbet and the pot is $165. Make it $115, ship the river.

Have a plan for the hand, don't just think to yourself "I have a SFD, I have to raise here."

Last edited by 3 Bullits; 11-15-2013 at 04:07 PM.
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