1/3 Live 10-Handed (No Rake, Time Charge)

Button straddles to $6.

SB folds, BB calls, and UTG calls.

I'm in UTG+1 with KK with $150.

I raise to $50. All fold except UTG+3, who calls. He started the hand with around $200.

I don't have a good read on him since he is new and the session just started.

Flop ($119): A J 4 (rainbow)

Your play?

Shove. Not much choice. If he has an A, you have outs (I hope).

Checking and not folding is better than shoving and not folding

Lol, definitely do not jam. Start with a check.

Pot is $119 and you have $100 behind.... yuck! I think i am shoving here. If you check, he should shove with his entire range and put you in a worse spot. If you shove, you can put him in the bad spot, while repping the A...

Worst post of the month award

With just a $150 stack there's no reason to raise so much (I mean, we do want action) but in the end our lol $50 raise for 1/3rd of our stack got action, so whatever. I probably go $25 (which still gets in a huge 17% of stacks where I'm fine with anyone/everyone calling me).

Even though we hate to see that A, with less than a PSB left we're committed. If the board was more drawy I'd just open shove. With this semi-dry board, whatever. A shove for this $$$ amount in this size pot can still get called by worse. If guy is bluffy we can check a street or two and hope he falls for it. Without reads I lean to shoving (because if he isn't a bluffer then all we do is allow him free cards to hit while we're committed).

GcluelessNLnoobG

So you guys want to check/call? What? If it checks through are you checking the turn, too?

I guess we should just check it down and hope we are ahead

At least with a shove you have some FE vs. a weak A.

@ Java

An Ace is never folding in this SPR for this small $$$ HU in a 1/3 NL game.

Checking may induce bluffs, but being readless this is pretty risky when committed (giving free cards to the river sucks if our opponent doesn't bluff, although it's fine if he does).

GcluelessNLnoobG

I've seen an A folded in this spot, but I also doubt they are folding. I don't think they are ever bluffing.

HAHA - totally agree. If you jam flop you are allowing him to play perfectly. He folds any non-A hand. I suppose he might fold some garbage Ax suited, but he's not in there with that for $50. He's never folding A/9+ for your all-in bet. If you check, you at least give him the chance to do something silly with 8/8+.

It's incredibly interesting that people think someone will bluff into a $50 PFR who has only $100 left. QQ is the absolute only hand I can imagine would do that on this board (but that is very unlikely in this hand).

TT and lower is taking a free card and silly happy to be able to do it; however, TT might sigh-call. QQ, although unlikely, will probably sigh-call, too.

If everyone is planning to check/call, go for it.

Seriously, though, if it checks through, what do you do on a blank turn? Q? J? T? Are you still check/calling?

By this logic we can check/fold very comfortably, and jam turns with 0 risk of him having an A or better(With the exception of the turn helping him).

1) why are you sitting in a $1-3 game short stacked at $150 ;chip up to full buy-in
2) being short stacked a raise pre of $30 would be better

3) what's your read of V? would V call pre with A x rag ?
is V aggressive? would V bluff rep an A if you check ?
any read at all to help?

4) what's your image to the table?

5) C/C

I'm buying in short because my bankroll is too small.

I shoved but after reading the replies, I think check/calling is better because we might get bluffs from hands like QQ or KJ.

Pre sizing is spot on. You’re committed on every flop, including this one. I think shove or check/call are probably about even EV. In game I probably shove. Check/call or shove turn is probably slightly better.

Shovers, what are you accomplishing by jamming? The main argument I see is "Well, we have kings and a big pot, so click it in and see what happens!"

But lets go more in depth. Are we really open jamming our value like AJ+ JJ, and AA? What even is our $50(1/3 stack) raising range here? What do we think UTG+3's calling range is(He just put in 1/4 of his stack after we put in 1/3 of yours)? IMO we have two very strong ranges and a deceptively weak hand that should proceed with caution.

I check to let him bluff.

Shoving flop is awful. Check, call if he jams. If flop checks through, jam turn.

Pre flop raise was too big.
Jamming flop only gets called if you are beat so don't think I understand that logic. Committed to the hand? You are just trying to pick up the pot by going all in?
Same thing can be accomplished by c/c.
If it goes c/c, then I probably jam on turn.

Lol at the PFR being too big. If i can get a caller with KK for 1/3 of my stack, im doing it. Thats dumb.

By that logic, just push all-in with KK every time. "Gee Whiz, getting a caller here with my whole stack sure would be nifty.

The bet is $6 with a pot of $15 and one of those bets is a button straddle. A $50 raise screams "hey, everyone fold unless you have a monster". So great, pick up your $15 and call me dumb. Jackass.

I don't understand the hate on preflop raise - it's 8 BB (given straddle) with 3 callers. Doesn't seem crazy. Perhaps a little less given stack size. I might go $40, but $25 is little more than a pot sweetner.

The BB is $6, not $8.
So the pot is $19 ($3 + $6 + $6 + button $6).

I just took exception to the logic of "hey, if i get a call of 1/3 of my stack with KK I'm happy and you are dumb".

There is a lot of unknowns here anyway. What is the usual table raise, what 3Bs get called, etc.

I agree w/ checking the flop, you are always getting called by better & always folding out worse when you shove.

Pre-flop I'm fine with if you are getting callers at that raise size(which you did).

I'd bet river here if it manages to get checked through on flop & turn. Probably folding to a shove on the flop, leaning more towards a call on the turn.