Tuesday evening 10 handed at a casino. Im on vacation and have been playing around two hours. A lot of drinking, laughing and $ at this dream table.

V1 is 20's wg. Talking a big game, have only seen limping, calling and folding from him so far. Bought in for $200(big stack is max buy in, which was 1100), has ~150.

V2 is a conservatively dressed mawg who sat down about a half hour ago. Limped a couple times, haven't seen any cards. Bought in for, and has ~200.

Hero is mid 30's wg playing tight, not sure most of the players even notice. Covers

Button straddle, 5 callers (pretty common at this table), I limp 66 from hi jak, cutoff limps and button checks.

Flop 7 ways (Pot ~40) 10d Jh 6x r. Checks to me, I bet 35. Only v1 and v2 call.

Turn (~140) Qd. v1 x, v2 bets 35.

Hero?

Raise to $100 (whatever takes him all in). Too many two-pair hands and/or flush (or any) draws to ever fold and don't want to give a card for $35 to either.

Pre and flop are good.

all in is all she wrote

If these guys are really loose passive, this is a fold.

No trolling the strat threads please.

But if you're serious:
I'm assuming you're implying they always have a straight here?
But if that's the case, we are getting better than DO needed to call to boat up.

Easy shove. If someone has 98 so be it

lol at folding. JFC that is insanely nitty. Just ship it.

Plenty of two pairs out there and you've got a redraw. Shove a dove dove.

I never troll strat threads. If this is the absolutely right read, then yeah, it's always a straight. While you are right that you have the odds right now, you don't know what V1 will do. If you shove and get it in 3 ways, you will NOT be getting the right price. It goes without saying that if V1 folds to a shove and v2 calls, you are way behind.

You could call, and if V1 shoves and V2 shoves, you will be getting close to the right price, but I personally don't like that play, and although close, I'm guessing it is slightly -EV.

In my game, I would call (or shove, actually) because this is almost always NOT the straight, but that is either a reg read or a pop read. If OP wants to use a pop read on V2 (since he has not seen cards) that's fine, then call, but he does seem to be implying LP for both Vs.

It's funny, but when I posted in a similar hand (reg read) that this was never the straight, I was jumped all over. Here I say it's always the straight (LP read), and I get jumped all over.

I know people have their own ideas of what a general (TAG, LAG, LP, etc.) read acts like (lord knows we have seen some interesting characterizations of TAG, lol), but if I have tagged someone as LP, this lead ALWAYS beats 2 pair, and with a player to act behind, this is a fold.

Guy bets $35 into $140 on a wet connected board. Surely must have the straight.

We've played with the bettin V for all of 30 minutes. This is never a fold. I'd shove but at worst we're getting odds to boat up. V2 hasn't shown any strength yet.

Thanks for the replies.

Didn't really consider folding, just am not sure when small bets mean a nutted hand or a weak holding.

I called, as did v1. Riv was Kx. V1 x, V2 shoves, I fold, V1 calls. V2 shows AQo, V1 mucks.

Well, now you know V1 is a station, watch out for his bets regardless. V2 likes to blocker bet or bet to see where he is at, so raise his small bets in the future. This is something regs do all the time in my game, so I would give him more of a reg read for the future.

I'm cool with preflop and flop (although I simply PSB that flop for a few extra $$$).

After the turn donk, the pot is $175 with V1 having ~$115 and V2 having $130 left. There are now a crapload of river cards that could kill our action / hand. So I simply shove at this point, especially on this board where two pairs ain't folding and pair + draws will also likely call.

ETA: Not sure why we would be overly concerned this was a straight on the turn when two pair or pair + draw is much more likely. SPR is also very small on the flop against these stacks, plus it's unlikely that anyone has hit a bigger set given no preflop raising, so pretty much never folding on the turn and anything other than shipping is just leaving too lol behind for the river. IMO.

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