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1/3: Set on 346r, facing all in on flop 1/3: Set on 346r, facing all in on flop

11-25-2013 , 08:20 AM
UTG (60 yr old woman, who I perceive as tight) limps $3
Hero (UTG+1) playing tight, limps behind with 44
2-3 other limpers

Flop ($17ish): 346r
UTG bets 15, I make it 45, others fold, UTG says all in (has approx 150)


Spoiler:
I'm sick and tired of this.. I call and she flips over 57o and I fail to pair up as usual.. These people only like to go all in with the nuts.. Is this a cooler or do I need to start folding sets sometimes? Like her range is exclusively 57, 25, 33, 66 here with AA/KK sometimes.
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11-25-2013 , 08:32 AM
Look at the range you give her, and lol at AA/KK (she's tight enough to limp these preflop, but then spazzes on a wet board with them? Unless there is some table dynamic that makes her think this hand might be raised pre, and even then I think this is wishful thinking), you are only ahead of the 3 combos of 33 here, why are you raising the flop? If you truly believe that you must try and get value from such a small part of her range, then raise/fold here. Otherwise call and evaluate turn.
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11-25-2013 , 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Buster65
Look at the range you give her, and lol at AA/KK (she's tight enough to limp these preflop, but then spazzes on a wet board with them? Unless there is some table dynamic that makes her think this hand might be raised pre, and even then I think this is wishful thinking), you are only ahead of the 3 combos of 33 here, why are you raising the flop? If you truly believe that you must try and get value from such a small part of her range, then raise/fold here. Otherwise call and evaluate turn.
Are you implying I should call flop and fold turn if she bets again?

It's SO RARE to flop a set firstly... I flopped a SET on a semi-wet board. I raise 100% of the time here in fear of bad turns helping straight draws obv. Is this fundamentally incorrect?

If the board was drier, I would call flop for sure.
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11-25-2013 , 08:45 AM
The funny thing is.. if I call flop, and the turn comes some bad card, people will flame me for NOT raising flop.
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11-25-2013 , 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by fizzypants
I raise 100% of the time here in fear of bad turns helping straight draws obv.
The way you describe her range, she has NO straight draws in it, so your reason for raising here makes no sense. DUCY?

Also, it's OK to raise here since it's not just the 2 of you in the pot, but if her range is truly this tight, it's a trivial fold to the reraise.

Actually, I take that back, if her range is truly this tight, then you shouldn't worry about the others in the hand.
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11-25-2013 , 09:04 AM
You have 37% aganist 66 33 75o 75s 25o 25s

You're getting 2:1 assuming you need to call off 105.

Folding is a mistake.

Add in some two pairs + overpair spazz some of the time and it shifts it to really ++ev.

Don't beat yourself up.
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11-25-2013 , 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by jambre
You have 37% aganist 66 33 75o 75s 25o 25s
Wow, really? That'll teach me not to stove it. What he said.
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11-25-2013 , 09:13 AM
Running Bad
Verb

To be dealt a series of weak hands; to undergo a losing streak primarily due to the cards that were dealt rather than the quality of play.

You made a play, assigned her a range, and called off the rest of your money correctly against her range. You did not suck out the required 32% of the time that you needed to in this hand. But in he long run if you keep making this play against this range, you will profit. Life happens.

Not to be mean but if you're smart enough to give her a range, you should be smart enough to put that range into PokerStove (or equivalent) and see what sort of equity you need. Then you must be smart enough to know you had the required equity. So you're just asking us to feel bad about your cooler? Take a few deep breaths, take a few days off, and get back at it on the weekend.

Side note: Redefine your image of her, she's limping UTG with 57o... she's just a fish. And a loose one at that.
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11-25-2013 , 10:53 AM
Yeah I agree with ^
Only mistake in this hand is your perception of Villain

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11-25-2013 , 11:07 AM
I could never fold here. She could be "trapping" w/ AA or KK or even QQ (seen this too often in tight players).

Edit: Just read spoiler. Guess she's not as tight as you thought
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11-25-2013 , 01:11 PM
If she's playing 5 7 off, she probably plays 64, 34, and maybe even 63 so there are probably also 2 pair hands in her range... this is an easy snap call.

The guy telling you not to raise the flop or fold to her shove is crazy.
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11-25-2013 , 01:19 PM
I'm pretty much never folding a set for like 50bb stacks.

She could have 33.

She could have 5x (perhaps + pair).

She could have two pear.

She could have 77+ and was trapping us preflop sucka.

And even if we do happen to be behind, we'll suck out a fair percentage of the time.

Snap call, poker is easy.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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11-25-2013 , 01:49 PM
hands is played fine imo...nice hand mam...move on
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11-26-2013 , 03:52 AM
Didn't read spoiler, can't be folding sets for 50BBs. Fish's idea of the nuts is cloudy, 88 is the nuts to her. Even against straights we have pretty good equity.
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11-26-2013 , 03:54 AM
Read spoiler lol. Thank V (not out loud) for not sitting with $300 because that's what you should have lost on this hand. OWC saved you $150. Just because you lost the pot doesn't mean you didn't make money.
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