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01-04-2015 , 09:42 AM
Great table, all playing like 60/2/10 with 75+ wtsd.

1/3, 600 effective. 2 ep limpers, Mp opens to 12 we flat T9o HJ, all fold to BB, flats and limpers call.

Flop (60) T97r
All check to hero leads 30, BB and mp flat all fold.

Turn (150) 2o
Ch/ch, hero leads 60, BB flats.

River (270) 6
BB leads 65.

Are we good more than like 17.5%? I think not, given that turn bet a little more than third-pot is to induce so we assign V alot of 8x junk.
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01-04-2015 , 09:51 AM
Flop and turn are too small at a table like this where we are going to get called a huge portion of the time by many worse 1p, 2p, and draing hands.
I'd say $45 - $50 for pure value here.
Turn as played is ~$90, and $105 - $115 if we bet more otf.

River is meh. In spots where I think it's close I'm going to tend to call too much when the player is weak and loose as they will give the chps back later when I'm wrong.

When the player is strong or competent, I will err towards folding for the opposite reasons.
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01-04-2015 , 10:04 AM
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Great table, all playing like 60/2/10 with 75+ wtsd.
I don't use a HUD and have no clue what any of this means. No reads on this particular villain?

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1/3, 600 effective. 2 ep limpers, Mp opens to 12 we flat T9o HJ, all fold to BB, flats and limpers call.
Ewwww...when I first read this I thought we limped along which is ok given our position. T9off just isn't that good of a hand. Don't like the call, and would like reads of MP to justify making a call in this spot regardless. Certainly nothing "standard" about this call.


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Flop (60) T97r
All check to hero leads 30, BB and mp flat all fold.
Good. May even size this larger but is ok readless.

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Turn (150) 2o
Ch/ch, hero leads 60, BB flats.
This is not good. We have a hand that is likely good but very vulnerable. We should be charging villains much more to draw.

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River (270) 6
BB leads 65.

Are we good more than like 17.5%?
Hard to say without reads. Unlikely. The story he is telling is that his hand improved on the river and the bet size indicates value. I can't give you good advice here without information on the villain.

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I think not, given that turn bet a little more than third-pot is to induce so we assign V alot of 8x junk.
Why are we betting to induce on the turn? We should be betting for big fat value. If we are raised on the turn we are often behind which puts us in a terribly bad spot (does he have us drawing to 6 outs or do we have him beat). Most players that are behind will simply take the cheap card rather than bluff raise with a 1 pair type hand or a draw.
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01-04-2015 , 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by NeverLosesAtPoker
I don't use a HUD and have no clue what any of this means. No reads on this particular villain?
Loose passive showdown monkey with a tight opening range. Learn the nos., you can assign them in real life, too...
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01-04-2015 , 10:56 AM
Thanks and I see that wtsd means went to showdown. In order to effectively range the opponents I hope that you are gathering/using specific information about each individual villain. Even loose passive fish have different tendencies and different levels of competency. (are you wearing headphones lol..j/k...or am I?)
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01-04-2015 , 12:19 PM
Better reads on our villains would be age, types of clothing, ethnicity. Sometimes theses stereotypes aren't true. But, for the most part they are and they will give us a better read on our opponent. If a OMC ( old man with cap) raises 30 preflop I always expect Aces from them. Young kids with beats and hoodies tend to try and make big plays and bluffs. It's hard to put numbers since we are really only averaging 30 hands a hour. Which means they could be just getting hit in the face with cards and even through they are playing a lot of hands they really could be nits.

On to the hand:
Preflop: we are in position, but really wish they were suited. Don't mind the call that much through.

Flop: I'd bet 40, but have no real argument against 30

Turn:
Brick. Let's get fat value. Charge the draws. At the min I'm betting 75. But, I think 90 is a nicer number. Anything over a 100 most Vs will fold.

River: a passive player shows aggression. Most likely has a 8. I'm probably folding.
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01-05-2015 , 02:33 PM
Think I'd rather be suited before I call, but for such a cheap price, position, if no one is going to reraise, if everyone is a postflop idiot, etc. then I'm guessing this ain't horrible.

I kinda have difficulties with two pair hands, especially on boards that have straights. If we get action for stacks, we're not always ahead (and actually often behind, especially if villain's are less likely to play junkier two pair hands). So I'm kinda cool with playing them for smallish bets on the flop/turn as we did (although I probably still bet 1/2 PSB on turn).

River is really opponent dependent. He's never expecting us to fold to this bet. So it's either for value or a blocking bet with a TP / worse two pair hand. Think I may have talked myself into a sigh call.

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