Two Plus Two Publishing LLC
Two Plus Two Publishing LLC
 

Go Back   Two Plus Two Poker Forums > >

Notices

Live Low-stakes NL Discussion of up to 3/5 live no-limit, pot-limit and spread-limit Texas Hold'em poker games, situations and strategies.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 02-07-2014, 02:32 PM   #1
Rai$yDai$y
journeyman
 
Rai$yDai$y's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Rivercity
Posts: 268
1/3: River line (particularly bet sizing)

Playing a 1/3 cash game last night and I had a particular spot in which I was wondering what the most effective bet-sizing on the river would be. I started the hand with $207, villain roughly $500.

I was sitting at this table for an hour and a half and I had a very tight imagine, I was card dead and didn't have many spots to get involved. I have played with the villain very little prior to this session.

Finally I get dealt 88 UTG and open to 13. One middle position player calls and the Villain is on the button and also calls.

Flop: J 3 6

Very dry flop and I continue for 25. Middle position Folds.
Villain calls

Turn: 7

I continue for $45.
Villain reluctantly calls the $45.
At this point I obviously want to rep an overpair type hand, and I pick up the read that the Villain believes me based on his hesitation to call the $45. I put him on a weak J/ middle pocket pair type hand.

River:2

Here is my question... Do I shove all in here for $122 or do I fire a bet that looks like I want a call (value bet) somewhere around $70-$80?
Rai$yDai$y is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-2014, 02:47 PM   #2
adammatthew21
centurion
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 135
Re: 1/3: River line (particularly bet sizing)

There is about $180 in the pot and you have $122 behind. If your initial read is right, that he might have a weak J, you need to shove here. Betting $80 and leaving yourself $42 looks fishy.

Also a bet of 80 gives him over 3:1 to call and with top pair on that board, he has to think he wins more than 33% of the time. (didn't receive description on villain so assuming he is fairly competent).

If you are gunning for this pot, I shove all in and take the pot down. Don't get cute
adammatthew21 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-2014, 02:47 PM   #3
samo
Pooh-Bah
 
samo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: NJ
Posts: 4,020
Re: 1/3: River line (particularly bet sizing)

As played and based on your read, AI OTR. If the opponent is a thinking player, you have FE vs. TT/99. If he is stationy, don't try a semi-bluff as he will call.

Pre and Flop are ok imo.

Turn - I'd check back (C/F). Only draw hit besides the overcard.

I'd also top-off to 100 bbs.
samo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-2014, 03:41 PM   #4
gobbledygeek
Poet Laureate of LLSNL
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 32,941
Re: 1/3: River line (particularly bet sizing)

I'd top off my stack if we feel we are one of the better players at the table.

Putting in a decent percentage of our small stack (6%) only to end up OOP to two opponents (and I'm guessing could have easily been much more to just a $13 open at a typical 1/3 NL table) and to most likely see a flop we are likely going to hate seems rather meh to me. I'd rather open limp. If I was to raise, I'd probably go $20+ so I could stack off if I do happen to flop an overpair.

How comfortable did you find your postflop spot? My guess is pretty uncomfortable. We set up this uncomfortable spot preflop. Uncomfortable spots are typically not very profitable, unless we are very good at playing them.

Do even know what we're doing on the river? The pot is $179 and we've only got a mere $124 left (which means the only bet we can make is a shove). Are we value betting? Are we bluffing? Was villain truly uncomfortable with the flop/turn calls, or did he just flop a set and was laughingly calling us down in position on a drawless board knowing he could get stacks in whenever he pleased?

GpreflopmadeaveryuncomfortablebedG
gobbledygeek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-2014, 04:05 PM   #5
yellowbastard
old hand
 
yellowbastard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Atlanta, Ga.
Posts: 1,674
I like limping pre better. I think your implied odds increase with more players in the hand. As played I c/f the turn. I don't think he is going to fold a Jx type hand. Same thing otr. A $122 bet will be laying him > 2:1 and I don't think he is going to fold. He hasn't on any other street so far.
yellowbastard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-2014, 04:27 PM   #6
beauvanlaanen
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
beauvanlaanen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 12,490
Honestly I don't hate limping UTG here, it's a spot where if you raise (like you did) and get 3 bet you are playing a big pot oop with a hand that would are almost always x/f otf. When you limp you can build a pot and when you flop a set you can win a big pot and when you miss you can fold losing a big blind.

As played I like cbetting this flop, but when V calls I think your best option is checking the turn. You have a hand with solid showdown value.

As for the river, I think I give up. I don't think V is good enough to fold a J in this spot. Often Vs like the one you described give sigh "nice hand" and call with JT and beat your pair turned into a bluff.
beauvanlaanen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-2014, 05:56 PM   #7
Rai$yDai$y
journeyman
 
Rai$yDai$y's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Rivercity
Posts: 268
Re: 1/3: River line (particularly bet sizing)

Thanks for the help everyone. Lots of good information. My problem is that sometimes I hate waving the white flag and tend to 3 barrel bluff pots that I shouldn't.
Rai$yDai$y is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply
      

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:06 AM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright 2008-2020, Two Plus Two Interactive