7 handed 1-3€

Hero opens on CO to 8€ with 4c7c (stack 208€)

Bu call (cover hero)

BB call

flop 4h4d5d

hero cbet 10€ and bu call, bb fold

turn Td

Hero thinks and value vs pairs, some T and some "FD" 25€

bu call

River Ts, and hero bets 55€ vs flushes and nonbelivers pairs...

bu shoves for 165€ total.

hero?

its good the bet on the river or better check-call? its a call on the river? maybe check call turn?

So many problems here

1) top off pre. Don’t play with 69 bb if you don’t have to
2) fold pre. Are you opening like 65% from the CO? That’s way too loose.
3) given the flush draw is diamonds and the Td hit on the turn, I think you have to call it off. If he floated you with bare overs not closing the action and went running tens, good for him

But really, fold preflop


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Preflop for me all depends on Button and blinds. I might fold in some cases (especially against a loose talented Button), limp in some cases (especially against passive loose horrible face up players) and raise in some cases (especially against tighter players where I'm just looking to steal blinds / position). Whatever. In the end the raise didn't narrow the field much (we only eliminated one of the remaining three players which also reduces our postflop FE), didn't steal the blinds, didn't buy us position, and even though it was a small raise it didn't even give us a great SPR either. So not a great result but I guess that happens sometimes even when we expect different.

Anyhoo, SPR is 8 and board is drawy so I think I consider myself committed (at least on the flop); if we've run into better then that's on preflop. I'd probably PSB/PSB to get setup a trivial river shove (barring a stupid runout). So I'm not a fan of our bet size on this drawy board (missing huge value against draws that will never fold to almost any flop bet sizing).

Thanks in some part to our small flop sizing (which I don't like) I think we can actually change our commitment plan on this turn card. I would probably check/call. This can induce bluffs, doesn't put us in a gross spot if raised (where we'd hate to have to fold a chance at a monster), plus a bet is targetting very little that can continue for two more bets.

FWIW, our bet sizing on the first two streets is completely wack. We bet only 42% of the pot on the flop when we probably had the best hand and yet there were a bunch of hands that could continue for bets. And yet on the turn where we could often no longer have the best hand and very few hands can continue we bet 63%. That isn't a good long term strategy regarding sizing.

Think I'm ok with our river sizing as we're really just trying to entice a call from weak hands on a gross board. I certainly wasn't expecting to face a shove on the river, and honestly the only better hand that makes much sense doing this is something like TT (maybe 55). Could dude possibly be playing a busted 76 like this? I just don't see how he gets to the turn with a Tx, but mostly people just simply have it here against someone who has raised/bet/bet/bet unless they're a maniac and/or think they can fold our QQ.

GcluelessNLnoobG

FWIW, this used to be my first piece of advice I offered at one time too. But I've since reconsidered and non-experienced players (I'll let OP decide where he fits on the experience scale) would probably be a lot better off playing shorter (therefore avoiding the huge mistakes they could make playing deeper). I even sit with a constantly topped off 66bb stack myself nowadays (just shy of 5000 hours of live 1/3 NL experience) and there's nothing inherently wrong with it.

GcluelessstacksizenoobG

The executive committee of the 2+2 Nit club is asking you to appear to explain why you should not be thrown out for suggesting to open with a raise with 74s.

Seriously OP, fold this crap pf. As played, there was an old rule of thumb known as the Zeebo theorem which held that no low stakes player can fold a full house. You saw this as a strong hand when in reality all you have is a bluff catcher. You're getting 6:1 but honestly I don't think you'll be good even that often

With a tight ABC button and some terrible fit/fold blinds, I'm not going to hate too much on a preflop raise. Although if we're going to screw up postflop (and I'm not a fan of either flop or turn) then we should definitely be folding.

Ghugenitwithoccasionalmaniactendencies,apparentlyG