Hero in CO with XX. ~$340ish. Lost KK vs AA (but didn't show) for $300 pf. Has a positive image. This hand is after about ~1 hour of it.

Fold to hero. Opens to 10, btn folds, sb (~260) calls, bb (~400) calls.

Flop JT9.

SB check, bb 17, hero call, sb fold.

Turn 6.

bb 30, hero call.

River Q

BB check, hero 75.

Thoughts?



Edit: Bit of info. About 20-30 minutes ago. he (BB) raised AJ from co, got 3bet from bb, called bb, called bb c-bet on J7x flop, called bb turn bet on T turn and fold to a shove (getting like 5 to 1) on a K river.

Are you asking about bluffing in this spot? What are you calling the turn with, that you need to bluff with now? The answer should be close to nothing.

If you're value-betting I don't think this is a spot where unless you're perceived as a fish that you're getting called very light with that largish sizing.

It's really hard to tell whether you're bluffing, value-betting, not sure which, or what this thread is about.

Ignore my hand here.

Assume you are sb here.

What would you call here with as action as is?

Also, My sizing on river is large? Pot is 120 on river after rake.

Just post your hand. Oftentimes people will have input on things you could have done differently on other streets, even if you think the decisions were trivial.

I'd call with 2pair or better, even the lone Q with the nut kicker.

If you have a tight positive image, I can't imagine you opening this hand with an 8 in your hand even in the cut off, maybe 88?

Anyways, you called two streets down, so I can't really find a king in your hand besides a QK? Which you prob would've raised on the turn...........

So that's about it from me. I'm obvious a bit bias because I assume he called you down and you had some middle pair or got caught.

Realistically, the only hand that you should get to the river and want to bluff with is AcTc. Don't mind bluffing with that as we already know villain is capable of folding when a scare card hits the river. Any other non Kx hand that you called the turn with should just be happily checking back here with showdown value (maybe betting for very thin value if you have QQ).

Hero should have all combos of KK and KJ in his range as well as KcTc and AcKc.

What about with AcJc?

$10 seems like a super small open in 1/3 NL, no? I would typically be opening much larger if my goal is to narrow the field.

On the flop, I would probably consider raising flopped straights and sets and that might be about it, otherwise I would call with overpairs / draws, as we're still fairly deep (SPR 11).

On the turn I think I would still be in call down mode with overpairs / TP type hands to evaluate river. We're getting slightly better than 3:1 with still decent stacks behind. If I've added a flush draw to my straight draw I'm calling (or perhaps even raising if I think Villain is showing enough weakness that he can be blown off his hand). If I have a flush draw I call because it'll be a disguised backdoor draw that we'll normally get paid off on. If we only have a straight draw, we'll probably have to fold because we shouldn't have any implied odds on a four-to-a-straight.

On the river we should be doing a value bet with Kx, QQ (top set is probably good when checked to), and 8x. AA/AQcc I'd probably just check back and hope I'm good (Villain wasn't betting his hand incredibly strongly, so he could just have Jx a decent amount of the time but it's unlikely we get a bet paid off and could value town ourselves against a two pair that doesn't fold). Off the top of my head, I can't see us getting to the river with any other hands this way, so I don't think we have any hands to bluff unless I'm missing one.

ETA: I guess ATcc is perhaps one hand we could be bluffing with. I think AJcc has too much showdown value to bluff with. If I was the Villain, I'd be pretty much folding everything cuz I think Hero has so few bluffs in his range here.

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$50-60 might look more like a value bet but a K is definitely in your perceived range.

V sounds like AJ or maybe 2p.

I think I got enough responses to reply back with my hand and reasoning.

I had A Q

My raise in co is fine, I feel that I don't really need to make it anymore to "thin" the field with the position I have and with the tightness of the btn/sb/bb ranges. When I got called in two spots, I was.. a bit surprised since in the hour or so I'd been at the table it had been playing fairly snug (outside of the random fish (not the people who called)).

Flop thinking, I had bb on nearly everything except JJ and maybe TT. So I decide getting close to 3 to 1, with OESD + 1 over + BDFD and position, I could reasonably call.

Turn was a bit closer. When he fired again, I guess the sizing isn't that big, I did have a thought to make it 85-95, and blast river (if he called turn). But I thought his range on turn was heavily towards 2pair+/straights.

River. I've read I should check back with this hand and "hope" I'm good. I decided to turn my hand into a bluff for 2 reasons. 1) I feel he has 2 pair more often than 1 pair. 2) I just saw him fold for 70 (all-in) on a river where he called 2 big bets and was getting close to 5 to 1 on a river call with AJ on J75TK board.


Thoughts on my logic of thinking?

Reason #1 isn't relevant. I'd assume he never calls with worse and he never x/r bluffs the river, so you typically win the current pot against his 1 pair hands whether you bet or not.

Reason #2 is interesting. However, a river overcard is awful for his hand and many Villains don't pay attention to pot odds, so there is a danger in putting too much emphasis on it. The absolute size of that river bet may be relevant. (of course, the Q is awful in the current hand for a lot of his range this time)

Villain could have played a K or an 8 this way and isn't folding, but without trying to count all the combinations I'd typically go for it in game if I had a weak-tight read on V and my image was solid. But I'd bet 90 or more to make sure to do the job.