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06-19-2014 , 12:08 AM
This is early in the session, I may have seen 3-4 hands so no information on anyone at the table other than a reg 2/5 grinder sitting at this 1/3 table (he's not my villain fortunately).

Eff stacks for hero and V = $300~

Hero dealt QQ UTG, bets $15
MP calls and V calls
Pot = $45

Flop: 76A

V bets $15, hero calls, MP filds
Pot = $75

Turn: 2
V checks, Hero checks

River: 3
V bets $35

Hero?

With little info, I put almost any Ax hand in his range here, would you agree? Are the betting sizes and flop call good? bad? OOP bet into an A high board is it safe to say he is playing his hand face up?
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06-19-2014 , 01:06 AM
The best hand you beat is JJ. Do you think he's doing this with JJ or worse? Whether it's Ax or spades, you don't beat much.
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06-19-2014 , 01:11 AM
I fold. You are beating random spazz and unpaired cards without an ace, doesn't seem likely he has unpaired random bluffs. He has flush or he's putting in a small value bet with 2pr A3 or something stupid.
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06-19-2014 , 01:35 AM
I would raise more pre from UTG.

Vs line represents an ace. He donks into 2 players on the flop. Checks the possible flush on the turn. Then, bets the river. It's a pretty safe fold with no reads.

Was one of your queens a ?
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06-19-2014 , 11:16 AM
Preflop raise narrowed the field to 3ways and we have position on one of the opponents, so good. I wouldn't feel comfortable stacking off postflop in a 3way pot with this SPR, so I'm probably going to attempt pot control postflop.

I guess I don't hate the flop call since it is such a small bet, but I wouldn't despise a fold either. Guy is donking into 2 opponents including the preflop raiser on a drawy board, so this still can easily be Ax.

I'm done with the hand on the turn. The only hand we beat right now is a busted OESD or some wtf hand, and it's unlikely we get villain off of TP by bet/betting.

River even completes another hand (one of the OESDs). We beat nothing as it's unlikely this guy is doing some wtf bet with JJ/etc. I fold. Another option would be to turn our hand into a bluff and raise, but without reads (and him having reads on us) I just don't think that is going to work nearly enough (especially with us checking behind the turn).

GcluelessNLnoobG
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06-19-2014 , 12:43 PM
As played, fold, simply not beating much.

Your hand will not get much value on this board. Do you have the Qs?

Hero raised UTG so there are many big aces in his range. I'm assuming you have been playing TAGish.

I think the V donk is more likely the drawing part of his range than the AX part, given pre-flop action. I'd raise flop, $40 or so, to value draws. If called, I'd check it done from there, perhaps, thin valuing the river.
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06-19-2014 , 01:42 PM
Pretty sure I'm folding the river.

Calling the flop is fine. There are some draws in his range for sure, but also some weaker Ax hands (and a some stronger ones too) that he's just never folding.
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06-19-2014 , 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by samo
I think the V donk is more likely the drawing part of his range than the AX part, given pre-flop action. I'd raise flop, $40 or so, to value draws. If called, I'd check it done from there, perhaps, thin valuing the river.
I was thinking this, except also betting most non-club turns. But I have trouble understanding why villains donk. The small donk size ($15 into 45) makes me think he is trying to see a cheap turn. Would think a bet for protection would be bigger.
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06-19-2014 , 02:58 PM
As played I am folding...
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06-19-2014 , 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
I guess I don't hate the flop call since it is such a small bet.

GcluelessNLnoobG
Hey Gobb.. I find your lines of thought most interesting amongst all.. so here's a question.. don't you think we sometimes level ourselves vs fishes by saying "it's such a small bet so we can't fold"? I mean, he led into 2 others including the pf raiser on an A hi flop.. isn't this like Ax 80%+ of the time? At worst, it's a flush draw. But I still think a FD would check/call.
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06-19-2014 , 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by fizzypants
Hey Gobb.. I find your lines of thought most interesting amongst all.. so here's a question.. don't you think we sometimes level ourselves vs fishes by saying "it's such a small bet so we can't fold"? I mean, he led into 2 others including the pf raiser on an A hi flop.. isn't this like Ax 80%+ of the time? At worst, it's a flush draw. But I still think a FD would check/call.
Ya, I think this is mostly true, which is why I don't hate just giving up right away. Obviously villain dependent, but not a bad default without reads.
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06-19-2014 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
Ya, I think this is mostly true, which is why I don't hate just giving up right away. Obviously villain dependent, but not a bad default without reads.
I tanked for a few seconds contemplating a fold on the flop. Being that I just sat down less than 10 minutes before this hand, I had no info on the villain. I did hold the Q (an earlier reply asked). So the turn did increase my equity a little. All responses and line detail by all is highly appreciated.

I did fold the river when it was all said and done. As the session continued, he was definitely playing ABC poker. Villain ultimately took his chips and moved the the 3/6 limit game.
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