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1/3 QQ shove or fold flop raise 1/3 QQ shove or fold flop raise

01-05-2014 , 12:08 AM
V1 is by all impressions a very competent and adept player. LAG pre, cbets frequently, fairly straight-forward post but can be somewhat sticky. stack is $3500.

V2 is loose-passive and is largely inconsequential, $200 stack.

Hero's image is NITish, V1 views me as a competent player who is unlikely to get out of line. $400 stack.

Pre: V1 opens UTG to 13, V2 calls, Hero makes it 40 w/ QQ.

Folds to V1 who calls, V2 folds.

My read on V1 is that he is calling purely for speculative purposes/implied odds.

Flop: 864 ($91)

V checks, Hero bets $65.

V raises to $185, Hero....?

My thoughts in the moment were that the bottom of Vs range is Ax of spades. He was aggressive but rarely raised w/o good equity. After the hand I discussed it with him and he said he would have called, that the hand played itself. I have been often wondering and occasionally faced with these circumstances: An overpair in the hole on a low wet board w/ heavy action.

Most player's responses are very definitive, either "small hand, small pot" OR "He has so many draws in his range, GII"

Every hand is specifically unique as is every V but just looking for some guidance in finding the "right" answer as opposed to the results oriented one.

Thanks
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01-05-2014 , 12:13 AM
he's a LAG, you're a nit. don't give him information to let him fold.

call...
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01-05-2014 , 01:37 AM
Get your moneys in the middle.

He can have tons of hands you are beating. 99-JJ, 77, 55, flush draws and combo draws galore which you have a blocker to. If he shows up with 2 pair you aren't drawing too thin; you are really only crushed by 9 combos of sets and 4 combos of straights, in which case hey backdoor spades, right?
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01-05-2014 , 01:42 AM
GII, he rarely has KK/AA and the board is wetttttt.
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01-05-2014 , 01:57 AM
Give the size of the raise and your own stack, no choice but to gii.
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01-05-2014 , 02:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowball2
Give the size of the raise and your own stack, no choice but to gii.
i saw the 3500, thought that was the eff. didnt realize Hero only has 400.

change vote to GII
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01-05-2014 , 03:37 AM
This is a tough one. We have to ask ourselves how loose he can get UTG to flat a 3bet from a perceived nit. Also if he knows that we're 3betting him 95% of the time we have a monster do we think hes capable of a C/R bluff here? My intuition tells me that our QQ is beating most of his range because if he did have AA/KK/44/66/55 and was flatting pre to trap then hes still smooth calling the flop because at least at this level a flop C/R is very strong and tends to slow action especially on this kind of board because we dont have many hands that cordinate here in our pre-flop betting range.. Same logic applies if he flopped a set/straight. He shouldn't be afraid of too many turn cards and if he is indeed adept I would think hes planning to GII on later streets.Conversely I believe he would make this play as a semi or pure bluff and look to double barrell a scary turn. Also with about 25% of our stack in I think we have to shove.

As a general rule for me in these sorts of situations i factor in my opponent alot. How competent they are, TAG/LAG/NIT ect. I think at 1/3 against this type of opponent calling/shoving should be pretty profitable. However a C/R from your typical LLSNL player im usually dumping anything marginal.

Last edited by FullrackZack; 01-05-2014 at 03:43 AM.
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01-05-2014 , 11:06 AM
Get it in. Go go go go!

So obviously villain has all sets in his range and depending on how lose he is some straights as well. This is a super wet board with a ton of combo draws, go ahead and put your money in the pot.
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01-05-2014 , 01:24 PM
IMO villain only has one set in his range which is obvs 88, even though villain is deep as a mofo, I doubt he calls 66 or 44 OOP vs op, at least that's what I get from OPs description.
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01-05-2014 , 03:12 PM
easy jam
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01-05-2014 , 03:46 PM
Mehhhh shipping it most likely, but what a gross flop. Kinda feel like even if you are ahead, he still has decent equity against you. Would he play 99-JJ like this? I feel like he wouldn't.
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