Hi all,

New to the game. I forget some details here and the hand could probably go in the low stress thread

I am covered by main V I cover others with 300. I think the effective stack is like 220?

UTG raises to 10 I think the HJ calls folds to me I 3 bet to 40 with two black queens.

V 4! To 120 in the BB others quickly fold.... is this always a snap fold pre?

I think V is definitely capable of light 4 betting.

Some history about V: I definitely respect his game. I think he crushes 1/3 generally/ could be one of the best players if not the best
Player in the room.We have played frequently together. I think we both respect each other’s game generally. I know one time I 3! And he just called with AK before.

I would definitely say he’s a very good LAG.
He does remember that I 3 bet squeezed pre wit KJ off last week.

He probably views me as very tight and probably solid overall.

all in

it's always a snap fold pre in a vacuum (BB cold 4b vs SB 3b against UTG open, ridiculously nutted) but hard to say when he's seen you 3b lite.

Against a good player, you are probably 50/50 here because he has a number of bluffs. I'd shove. Make him wonder if you are bluffing him. You have a top 1.5% hand against a good player; you can't fold. It's better to get it in.

Lots of conflicting info here...

Villain sees us as tight...but has seen us 3bet squeeze KJ. Villain is capable of 4betting light...but we've seen him flat a 3bet with AK...?

I'm just going to throw reads out the window because of this. We got cold 4bet after 3betting an UTG open. Easy fold.

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Shove 220eff

Looks like you probably let it go. I like raising all in.

I'm not a 1/3 player but with 70ish bb effective I would think this is a shove. Perhaps a sigh when he wakes up with AA/KK here?

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I think everyone is missing that we have 300 to start the hand and V covers.

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1/3 QQ in the SB
Hi all,

New to the game. I forget some details here and the hand could probably go in the low stress thread

I am covered by main V I cover others with 300. I think the effective stack is like 220?

So what does the sentence directly before that mean then?

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Sorry guys preflop with the other 2 v’s in the effective stack is 220

Me and the main V are $300 deep

If I had 220 I think I just shove and live with the results

Shove. Folding is too nitty.

Yeah we have a completely uncapped utg raise here. Unless UTG is Lag too, I'm inclined to let this go.

yeah ok i let this one go then, esp since you saw him flat AKo vs your 3! and utg is uncapped here.

Call immediately and gii a single bi on non AK high boards. Standard.

Edit: ignore my comment about utg being uncapped here lol

Where UTG's "uncappedness" (making up words is fun) is important is when BB decides to 4bet.

From BB's perspective, he is facing an uncapped UTG PFR and an uncapped 3bet from SB, and still elects to 4bet. We are told he is a good player so surely he's thinking about this? That combined with his history of flatting with AK makes his range feel like AA, KK and nothing else to me. At least confident enough that I'm folding QQ with $300 effective.

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This.

+1 on this. V could have AK here and getting it in on non AK boards is best. You still have to remember QQ is 3rd best hand in the game.

Why aren't we shoving if we think V could have AK here? There's a bunch of dead money we could be flipping for.

"Could have" and having 100% combos of AKo are two totally different things. He will 100% sure have 100% combos of KK/AA here (well not true but close enough).

If he only has 1/2 combos of AK here (8) vs 12 KK/AA gii'ing here is big spew. He called H's 3b earlier with AK and now you guys want to give him 100% full combos of AK when UTG open, SB 3b, and he lol cold 4-bets from BB?

I’m defending qq against the best player in the room who could have light 4bs.