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Looks at you and smile? Smile and make it 360. Make him fold kk and ak. No way I’m folding qq to these young guys. You’re running god so you have image to your advantage

Lol at trying to make live players fold AK and KK. Yeah, sure you can be lucky that AK get dumped once in a while, but its still extremely ambitious.

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02-28-2020 , 11:32 AM

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Javanewt

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Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 12,772

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Originally Posted by plopbc

I should have mentioned the poker room has a flopped royal flush jackpot so sometimes players have trouble folding suited broadway hands before seeing the flop.
How much of a factor do you think this is when making these decisions? Probably player dependent.

I decided to bet 200.
I think it looks strong like I'm hoping he puts more money in the pot.
V1 snap folds.

V2 has Jacks and hits a set on the river

Thanks everyone for the replies and discussion!

The jackpot should make both players want to flat pre rather than 3bet and shove.

Too bad you didn't shove pre -- he might have called with AK

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02-29-2020 , 09:07 AM

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josofo

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Originally Posted by mdelore

I'm definitely not excited to 4b gii with QQ 1700bb deep vs a dude who 3b us once in three hours (if I'm reading the OP correctly). But if he's opening a lot of hands and smiling at people and being agro then I assume he's got a somewhat wide range IP deep.

I think call is right and plan to gii on non A/K flops. I expect him to x back two overs as to not bluff a dry sidepot and realize equity. Downbet flop or just jam is basically the same thing so I'd donk flop for $170 or so as suggested above to get JJ, Tx to cry call. Sometimes we run it into KK/AA for 170bb or so which really sucks but against a potentially wide linear range we don't have a lot of choice but to go with it.

its not the same thing. the population might hero fold jacks or a-10 to a flop jam, he is calling the 190 flop bet with jacks or a-10 almost every time, putting him a really shitty spot on the turn (unless he sucks out)

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02-29-2020 , 10:29 AM

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Lapidator

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Originally Posted by Javanewt

The jackpot should make both players want to flat pre rather than 3bet and shove.

Too bad you didn't shove pre -- he might have called with AK

This

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02-29-2020 , 11:34 AM

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Young Batman

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If you flat, then V1 is going to shove. There's no reason for him not to.

He could certainly have AK(s), JJ, or TT. I don't think that AJs it out of the question. QQ and AQ(s) are unlikely, but not impossible.

Shove.

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03-04-2020 , 04:56 AM

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Llorton

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Join Date: Aug 2019 Posts: 233

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Originally Posted by Petrucci

Lol at trying to make live players fold AK and KK. Yeah, sure you can be lucky that AK get dumped once in a while, but its still extremely ambitious.

Well i guess all those times i shoved and they tank for 5 minutes and tell me they folded ak or kk they were just puling my leg

if you got the right image and its deep enough, they can dump AK. KK is trickier, you have to have the right image and they have to know the player

RESULTS??

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03-04-2020 , 11:17 AM

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KRiBaH

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Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 143

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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek

I just limp in but that's my style. Especially with the restless shortstack on the Button, where we'll often be able to isolate his likely upcoming raise (right?) with a 3bet and have a trivially profitable spot.

Kinda gross spot, imo. We've shown nothing but good hands and just opened in UTG, and yet the guy with a clue just 3bet us. Is our hand fairly face up? If so, I might make a nitty fold; we can't just run into a bigger hand and call it unlucky at this fairly deep stack depth, so I err on the side of caution. And while Button is restless / steaming, he did just cold 4bet, which also can't quite be ignored. I might also contemplate a seat change as we might be too close to the right of MP.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Would you say the same for AK or KK?

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03-04-2020 , 11:52 AM

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gobbledygeek

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Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 36,143

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Originally Posted by KRiBaH

Would you say the same for AK or KK?

AK is hitting the muck for me quite fast given this action. Don't get me wrong, I love AK, but a huge part of it's power is going after big money preflop by flexing it's FE and meanwhile having ok equity against all but 2 hands; but as soon as we eliminate it's FE and as soon as we start introducing the real possibility of those 2 hands, it's worth plummets for me. Admittedly in this example it is fairly dependent on what we think the steamer is cold 4bet shoving with, but I think overall we overestimate how wide this is being done in this spot.

I'm almost always fine getting stacked with KK versus AA (having only folded it 3 times preflop in almost 5000 hours).

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