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12-28-2018 , 03:20 PM
Just getting back into it so a little rusty on remembering all details of hh such as stack sizes my apologies.

H probably have young aggressive kid image. I did raise 3 hands in a row 1 or 2 orbits ago and showed down 108o so perhaps they could think I’m a little out of line


Fish limps ep, I 15 with QcQh: btn, sb, limper calls


Flop 10d 7d 4h x x action on me and I bet 40 btn makes it 100, sb folds, fish calls Action on hero

Button is young middle aged Asian guy (30s?), another rec player who has been limping and calling a lot preflop, haven’t really seen him take much aggressive action so far that I can remember. The fish probably can have a lot of draws not sure how he would play 2pair or sets

Let’s say button is 300 effective and Ep fish probably like 200 I cover

What do you do here?
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12-28-2018 , 05:50 PM
Im not too concerned with the fish and think their range has a lot of Tx and FDs. Some nuttish hands but would happily GII for $200.

Wedged between BTN is not so nice though.

Does BTN raise flush draws like this in OPs opinion? Don't really like shoving because we get snapped off by two pairs and sets... and folding seems too nitty but I'm sure plenty here will advocate it.

In game I just call here unless i view BTN to be tight and or passive, in which case i fold then close my eyes
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12-28-2018 , 05:54 PM
I agree with your ranging of fish. Button seems also recreational I do not expect him to do this with flush draws or to play his draws aggressively in general. The question is if he will do this with a worse value hand.

Last edited by megamen70; 12-28-2018 at 05:55 PM. Reason: Proofreading
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01-09-2019 , 07:44 PM
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01-10-2019 , 03:14 AM
Would it make sense to reraise it to $200 on the flop? If the button has a set or 2 pair, my guess is he would shove because of the flush draw on the board. If he shoves, fold the flop.

On the other hand, if he calls I would shove any non diamond turn. Check fold a diamond turn if they both call.

Tricky spot though, curious to see what other people think.
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01-10-2019 , 03:35 AM
This would be an easier fold if you didn't think you had a bad image and the fish didn't cold-call. Given that, it's hard for shipping to be too bad unless we expect villain only raises 2p+.

I think this is a shove or fold spot, dont like calling.
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01-10-2019 , 12:34 PM
Not a fan of going so multiway but I'm assuming we didn't expect that.

I'm fine with the cbet.

I think I mostly fold. Yeah, we might have a little bit of an aggro image. But we're still cbetting against 3 opponents. Plus the Button is never expecting the short stack fish to fold so he's never bluffing (although he does contain some value hands that are worse than ours, such as JJ/AT). Plus he's yet to get out-of-line and seems limp/cally passive trying to get paid off when hitting a hand.

ETA: Agree that it's a shove or fold spot (and I'm leaning to fold). Calling just creates a $360 pot with just a 1/2 PSB left of $185; what, we're just waiting to see if the draws come in? And raising to $200 to fold is really bad; we'd be being asked to call $85 to win likely $660, so we'd have to call (we're ahead of JJ/AT/superdraws enough of the time and will suck out some of the time we're behind).

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01-13-2019 , 07:32 PM
Spoiler:
I folded. Basically I thought about it and I decided that he wasnt raising any draws and he basically always has sets/2pair +. I had pegged him as the passive fish type and we hear all the time on this forum how you can make so much money by just bet folding spots like this because "they always have it" so I leaned on that and decided to fold.

Honestly the fact that V2 was in and I would probably get to see results may have helped me to fold, don't know if this is a bad mindest or not. They actually checked it down the turn was Qs and the river was 2h. Wasn't too mad about turning the queen but when I found out V1 won the hand with 99 I was a little confused and disappointed.

Never really imagined him raising an underpair, I dont know if he is bluffing or just thinks I'm full of **** and is raising to avoid having to call down and bluff catch. I feel like fish use this as a rationale for raising medium strength hands sometimes.
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