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1/3: QQ facing passive's 3-bet 5-handed 1/3: QQ facing passive's 3-bet 5-handed

11-12-2014 , 10:45 PM
Super-passive 5-handed 1/3 game at 4 am

V (BB, $400): Sitting to Hero's immediate right; Hero was involved with him 3-4 hands ago when he called UTG's blind $7 raise on BTN, Hero r/r to $30 in SB with AQo, got 3 callers including him. Flop came AQThhh, Hero led $60, V called, Hero shoved on a blank turn and V called with KhJx and doubled up his $200 stack. Also, V had completed KQdd 2 orbits ago, so doesn't seem aggro at all.

Hero raises to $12 UTG with QQ, all 3 players call, V re-raises to $72, Hero ???
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11-12-2014 , 10:55 PM
I'd call.
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11-12-2014 , 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Tucco
I'd call.
Ditto. Flat.
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11-12-2014 , 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Tucco
I'd call.
Then what?

Are you stacking off on any board? Or only when you make an overpair? Are you check folding when an over card flops?

I dont like just calling here i would shove or fold. You have to decide whether his 3bet/stacking off range is wider than KK+ and AK. If its not, then fold. If its any wider then this probably becomes a slight +EV spot if we include JJ.

I would usually weight ranges more heavily to the top of V ranges when facing 3bets playing low stakes. So if we include JJ it will make up a smaller portion of his range than KK or AA imo.

Tough spot to be sure but im leaning towards folding because of villains tendency to be passive/non agressive with medium strength hands.

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11-12-2014 , 11:17 PM
Puke.
Fold.
He doesn't raise KQs 5 handed.
What do we think that he will raise with?

AK, JJ+.
We aren't getting any money from AK post flop most likely. We might stack JJ. We will get stacked by AA/KK. We can't set mine.

I'm folding. And not telling anyone.
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11-12-2014 , 11:23 PM
Has villain 3bet before? I doubt 4bet shoving a passive with QQ is profitable especialy at 1-3, pretty standard fold imo.
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11-12-2014 , 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
Puke.
Fold.
He doesn't raise KQs 5 handed.
What do we think that he will raise with?

AK, JJ+.
We aren't getting any money from AK post flop most likely. We might stack JJ. We will get stacked by AA/KK. We can't set mine.

I'm folding. And not telling anyone.
Do you really puke? Hell I probably fist pump from getting away from that so easily.
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11-12-2014 , 11:27 PM
Ugly spot. If he's not raising KQs from the SB at a 5-handed table, he really is super passive. With $12 invested, I'd just fold and wait for a better spot. He's probably going to be gii on 95% of boards and we'll never feel good about it.

I'd fold and say something like "I should have just seen a flop with my ATs". Folding QQ 5-handed is pretty nitty, but I think it's correct here. I doubt he's got JJ. Super unlikely he's got the other 2 queens. His 3-bet is either AA/KK/AK. With someone this passive, I'd discount AK.
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11-12-2014 , 11:28 PM
I'd call as well, hand is too good to let go already, not enough info on villian, he can do this with 88-AA/AJs+ imo even if he has shown a tendency to be passive in previous hands.

Perhaps villain loosens up when he gets a bigger stack, he's getting bored, etc. Just because he didn't raise KQs in the sb, doesn't mean he's super passive.
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11-12-2014 , 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by NuklearWinter
I'd call as well, hand is too good to let go already, not enough info on villian, he can do this with 88-AA/AJs+ imo even if he has shown a tendency to be passive in previous hands.

Perhaps villain loosens up when he gets a bigger stack, he's getting bored, etc. Just because he didn't raise KQs in the sb, doesn't mean he's super passive.
The only clear read that we have is that he is passive.

Every arguments you mentioned are pure speculation. Sure it could be that... Or we could go with our read that he's a passive player that likes his hand and is playing it face up allowing us to fold queens with only 4bbs invested.
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11-13-2014 , 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by kekeeke
Has villain 3bet before?
Lol, I can't recollect if villain has "raised" before.
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11-13-2014 , 12:03 AM
Also, a very important thing I forgot to mention: A few mins back, V said he's planning to leave soon.
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11-13-2014 , 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by kekeeke
The only clear read that we have is that he is passive.

Every arguments you mentioned are pure speculation. Sure it could be that... Or we could go with our read that he's a passive player that likes his hand and is playing it face up allowing us to fold queens with only 4bbs invested.
Well I'm never folding QQ 5 handed in this spot vs a guy who has been passive. To me that doesn't mean his pot sized raise here at 4am means he has only AA/KK. I think AK/JJ is more likely given his sizing. LLSNL players will often under-raise AA/KK from my experience. I would expect ~$45-50 with those hands.
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