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1/3: QQ, 200BB deep, paired board with FD 1/3: QQ, 200BB deep, paired board with FD

03-06-2014 , 07:06 AM
5 handed
V makes it $7 in the CO
BTN folds
Hero in SB makes it $31 with QQ
BB folds
V calls

Effective stacks are $600.
Reads on V: 70 y.o. regular at the cardroom, plays pretty tight/okay, doesn't stack off lightly, makes $7 raises with suited connector type hands more often than premiums, has caught Hero cbet/barrel bluffing often in past and knows he's capable of it...but would lay it down if Hero goes too big and he doesn't have a good hand

Flop ($65): 8 8 4 (2 hearts)
Hero bets $40, V calls

Turn ($145): Jd
Hero bets $70, V calls

River($285): 5c
Hero ???
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03-06-2014 , 09:36 AM
since you say his pretty tight/okay, he's not calling your $31 with too many drawing hands imo
it's 24 for a 38 pot, giving him 1 - 1.6, with 570 behind, if he could hit some fancy draw and knew he could get you all in he might call, seems unlikely to me though

that being said, I'd put him on AA, KK, QQ, JJ, TT, 99, 88, AJ

AA, KK is unlikely since he should raise you somewhere along the way
QQ is unlikely since you're holding two

that leaves JJ, TT, 99, 88, AJ
and maybe some weird flush draws once in a while
you beat most of that range

I'd check the river, not sure if I would call a bet, if he does bet the river he's either holding a monster or he's bluffing.
So if he bets the river he's holding JJ, 88 or a broken flush draw
since the flush draw is unlikely imo, I'd say check / fold the river to a large bet


also I'd bet the flop a bit larger, you're giving him 1 - 2.6 odds to call, with a big stack behind, that might be worth a call
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03-06-2014 , 09:47 AM
Bet $125/fold

The reason I wouldn't make it big is because he's an old man who you've described as being able to fold when you "make it too big"

So he's likely to fold to a 3-barrel and fold to a largely sized bet. I'd make it $125 and expect to almost always get called by TT/99, AJ.

Also if you make it too big, his calling range will only be 8x. That's why you need to make it small enough where you let his weaker combos call you and make the bet +ev
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03-06-2014 , 09:49 AM
Larger on Flop ... c/c Turn ... blocker bet or c/c River. Once you get called by raise and a 'larger' c-bet you know he is in this til the end. You say he wont go to value town for you, so you need to bet that way to either end the hand or go defensive on the Turn.

These guys are hard to get money out of ... so I dont give then any money any more either after they stay on the Flop. I know this gives them free cards, but on this kind of board you are either beat (-EV) or he has a killer draw somehow (=EV).

I like to c/c the Turn and then blocker bet the River if I still feel decent about my hand. If you get raised on River, then fold ... but hes not going to barrel into you on a paired board without a pretty good hand. GL
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03-06-2014 , 09:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by answer20
Larger on Flop ... c/c Turn ... blocker bet or c/c River. Once you get called by raise and a 'larger' c-bet you know he is in this til the end. You say he wont go to value town for you, so you need to bet that way to either end the hand or go defensive on the Turn.

These guys are hard to get money out of ... so I dont give then any money any more either after they stay on the Flop. I know this gives them free cards, but on this kind of board you are either beat (-EV) or he has a killer draw somehow (=EV).

I like to c/c the Turn and then blocker bet the River if I still feel decent about my hand. If you get raised on River, then fold ... but hes not going to barrel into you on a paired board without a pretty good hand. GL
C/c turn is missing so much value

Only reason to c/c turn is to induce bluffs from his floats. But this player type doesn't float nor bluff.

You have to get value from TT/99 by betting turn because he'll probably check those hands back
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03-06-2014 , 12:54 PM
I don't find preflop obvious. In 3bet pots, unless we've been 3betting lightly a lot, our hand might be sorta "face up", and this ain't a good thing, especially OOP with deepstacks (unless, imo, we can put in 1/6 of our stack preflop in order to stack off on safe boards postflop, but this is too big of an overbet here). Is opponent tricky at all, or fairly straightforward? If he's straightforward, I don't mind a 3bet, but I might even 3bet smaller to setup a higher SPR where we have lots of room to bet/fold each street postflop (the larger we make our 3bet, the more we won't have an SPR where we can manouever postflop). If he's on the tricky/bluffy side, I actually wouldn't hate just flatting here and playing bluffcatcher postflop. ETA: One other thing to consider: did we have any clue what we would do if he 4bet, keeping in mind that 3bet/folding preflop is so gross deep with a pocket pair that is going to hit a set 1/8 of the time.

As played, we've setup an SPR of 9.5, which is kinda an awkward SPR. We could probably get away with 3 streets of small <= 1/2 PSB bet/folds, but it could also be the case where we might have to check a street for pot control (but pot controlling OOP is difficult to do).

On the flop, we're not exactly in a WA/WB situation due to the flush draw and the fact that a couple of overs could come to kill our hand, but we are drawing almost dead vs 8x/44 hands. I would probably bet on the small side, or perhaps even check if villain is bluffy.

Same sorta goes for the turn.

In the end, we've arrived at the river in a $285 pot with $459 behind, which ain't too bad and I definitely don't feel committed. All the draws busted, so if villain is bluffy I would probably check to bluffcatch. Otherwise, I'd make a smallish bet/fold (keeping in mind that there's not really all that many worse hands that can fistpump call a bet here, I mean we're kinda targetting pocket pairs like 99 which are willing to call a bet with an overcard on board against a guy who 3bet preflop and has barrelled every street).

GcluelessNLnoobG
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03-06-2014 , 12:58 PM
Pre should be $25 when there aren't any callers behind so you can feel good about getting 2-3 streets from worse on favorable runouts such as this.

As played, bet small or c/soulread if he bombs busted hearts. I'd rather be betting here even if it's small if we have a heart blocker. That's important on this equation.
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03-06-2014 , 01:02 PM
GG it's 5 handed I think this is an absolute mandatory 3! Given reads. It doesn't have to be large given we know he won't stack off light.
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03-06-2014 , 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Pay4Myschool
GG it's 5 handed I think this is an absolute mandatory 3! Given reads. It doesn't have to be large given we know he won't stack off light.
Whoops, missed it was 5 handed. I still don't hate a flat against a bluffy opponent, but I'm totally on board with a smaller 3bet as you've stated.
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03-06-2014 , 02:26 PM
I think this is a decent bet small and fold to raise spot. Like Gobbledygeek said, it's optimistic to think that we can get 3 streets of value from this guy, but I don't see a better option.

His most likely holding is a flush draw, so versus a different player I would check to induce, but my stereotype of this guy says that he doesn't bluff in this spot.

Ya know, just repeating what GG said. +1 postcount!
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03-06-2014 , 06:17 PM
i actually wouldnt mind checking flop vs villain

c, then bet bet


or c/c if turn checks bet river

hard to get 3 streets vs decribed villain, plus underrepingyour hand will get you payed vs 95% of 1-2 villains
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03-06-2014 , 06:20 PM
I usually bet 100 here. It might look like a cheap bluff to the opponent. Like you still are holding AK. Expect him to turn over kj or a middling pair
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03-06-2014 , 07:47 PM
bet somewhere from 2/5 to 1/2 pot
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