Two Plus Two Publishing LLC
Two Plus Two Publishing LLC
 

Go Back   Two Plus Two Poker Forums > >

Notices

Live Low-stakes NL Discussion of up to 3/5 live no-limit, pot-limit and spread-limit Texas Hold'em poker games, situations and strategies.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-20-2019, 01:31 PM   #1
acepokerblog
centurion
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 123
1/3: In Position with 33 as the Preflop Raiser; Everyone Checks to Me on Flop

1/3 Live 10-Handed (No Rake, Time Charge)

UTG+1 limps. He has around $200.

UTG+2 limps. She has around $300.

Iím in UTG+3 with 3s 3c.

I raise to $25 because the table has been tight. The players have been folding to my raises. I have around $400.

However, I think calling is better because of the BB. I havenít raised his limps but when he limps, he has called everyoneís raises so he will probably call my raises too.

This is another situation where I need to slow down and assess the situation before making a play.

Everyone folds to the BB, who calls. He has around $200.

The limpers also call. Based on their reactions to the BB call, I think they wouldíve folded if the BB didnít call because they folded earlier to my raises.

Therefore, I think the limpers have weak hands. The BB is probably weak too since he is loose.

Flop ($101): As 9s 4s

BB has been semi-aggressive postflop. I think he could bet with a strong flush draw or strong Ace here.

The other players in the hand are passive postflop.

They all check to me.

Your play?
acepokerblog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-20-2019, 02:10 PM   #2
matzah_ball
veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 2,300
Re: 1/3: In Position with 33 as the Preflop Raiser; Everyone Checks to Me on Flop

Give up
matzah_ball is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-20-2019, 05:17 PM   #3
budfox89
enthusiast
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Posts: 61
Re: 1/3: In Position with 33 as the Preflop Raiser; Everyone Checks to Me on Flop

Yeah from UTG+3 probably a better spot to limp pocket 3s rather than building a big pot. Granted you still got position on the flop but would have been gross if others had position on you.

Once you get to that flop 4-handed, seems like a spew to keep betting.
budfox89 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-20-2019, 05:41 PM   #4
persianpunisher
adept
 
persianpunisher's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 1,065
Re: 1/3: In Position with 33 as the Preflop Raiser; Everyone Checks to Me on Flop

Fold pre or maybe limp. I wouldn’t try to blast off here post, but if you do you’re gonna have to unload the clip.

Find a game that isn’t 10 handed, ****.
persianpunisher is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-20-2019, 05:47 PM   #5
WereBeer
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 8,150
Re: 1/3: In Position with 33 as the Preflop Raiser; Everyone Checks to Me on Flop

You had a plan to steal or presumably make some moves if you get HU. Now it’s OK to accept that didn’t work out and give it up.

It’s like raising SB with ATC to steal the BB from a nit. If it works 80% of the time, you print money, as long as you don’t then starting firing away with air when he calls you.
WereBeer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-20-2019, 06:21 PM   #6
BackDoorFlush
veteran
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 2,132
Re: 1/3: In Position with 33 as the Preflop Raiser; Everyone Checks to Me on Flop

As played, give up.

I don't like pre. Limp or fold.
BackDoorFlush is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2019, 01:12 AM   #7
6bet me
veteran
 
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 2,433
Re: 1/3: In Position with 33 as the Preflop Raiser; Everyone Checks to Me on Flop

Preflop is fine. You can make a case for all 3 options (fold, overlimp or iso raise).

Flop I'd definitely give up 3+ways. You could Cbet this if it was HU though.
6bet me is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2019, 05:15 AM   #8
Homey D. Clown
adept
 
Homey D. Clown's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 814
Re: 1/3: In Position with 33 as the Preflop Raiser; Everyone Checks to Me on Flop

Just overlimp pre. Why anyone would fold pre in this spot is beyond me. But I see no reason at all to iso raise two EP limpers with 33 with half the table still to act.
Homey D. Clown is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2019, 05:32 AM   #9
zica
grinder
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 646
Re: 1/3: In Position with 33 as the Preflop Raiser; Everyone Checks to Me on Flop

Wow, I always cbet here unless a nit has played and sometimes I'll still shoot at it. It's a good thing my game is soft. Then again, thing about my soft game is that it's so tight and because of my image, I think my opponent's are not limp-calling me w weak aces, like AQ, so I can fire away here like I'm h2h with the bb.

Edit: Also, now I think about it, two ep limpers(in my game) aren't calling me just cuz some goofy guy in bb called. All this considered, if the pfr was closer to my standard 12-17, I would still shoot here at a table of unknowns.

Last edited by zica; 04-21-2019 at 05:38 AM.
zica is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2019, 07:46 AM   #10
BackDoorFlush
veteran
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 2,132
Re: 1/3: In Position with 33 as the Preflop Raiser; Everyone Checks to Me on Flop

Quote:
Originally Posted by Homey D. Clown View Post
Why anyone would fold pre in this spot is beyond me.
If there's a couple of guys beyond you who like to squeeze, then folding pre is best.
BackDoorFlush is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2019, 11:09 AM   #11
KID777777
grinder
 
Join Date: May 2018
Posts: 450
Re: 1/3: In Position with 33 as the Preflop Raiser; Everyone Checks to Me on Flop

Quote:
Originally Posted by WereBeer View Post
You had a plan to steal or presumably make some moves if you get HU. Now itís OK to accept that didnít work out and give it up.

Itís like raising SB with ATC to steal the BB from a nit. If it works 80% of the time, you print money, as long as you donít then starting firing away with air when he calls you.
+1 the Iso didn't thin the field, and you didn't hit your set, it's time to give up.
KID777777 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2019, 07:52 PM   #12
Homey D. Clown
adept
 
Homey D. Clown's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 814
Re: 1/3: In Position with 33 as the Preflop Raiser; Everyone Checks to Me on Flop

Quote:
Originally Posted by BackDoorFlush View Post
If there's a couple of guys beyond you who like to squeeze, then folding pre is best.
Now you're just making up circumstances to fit some fold pre narrative. The pot hasn't even been raised yet and you're already talking about "a couple of guys who like to squeeze". Which there aren't even any, since OP clearly stated the table is tight.

So I'm sticking with it: don't fold.
Homey D. Clown is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Yesterday, 02:28 PM   #13
gobbledygeek
Poet Laureate of LLSNL
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 29,119
Re: 1/3: In Position with 33 as the Preflop Raiser; Everyone Checks to Me on Flop

I actually just fold preflop due to poor RIO with small pocket pairs. I hate raising even more due to result (i.e. multiway) is completely standard at most tables I've played at. Also hate putting in huge chunks of stacks at tables which feature lots of shortstacks (2 stacks are described at being just 66bbs, this is not a game where we should be raising anything other than monsters, imo).

I just check 4ways. Passive people check to the raiser therefore we have zero information on what anyone could have. Let's see a turn and see what happens (mostly giving up).

GmoreABCwiththesestacksizes,imoG
gobbledygeek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Yesterday, 02:32 PM   #14
gobbledygeek
Poet Laureate of LLSNL
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 29,119
Re: 1/3: In Position with 33 as the Preflop Raiser; Everyone Checks to Me on Flop

Quote:
Originally Posted by Homey D. Clown View Post
So I'm sticking with it: don't fold.
65% of hands at my table are raised (I've done some tests). There's just too good a chance someone raises, and now we're facing a typical 7x raise or whatever with lots of 66bb stacks, it's very meh.

If we knew it would limp around the majority of the time, then I actually wouldn't mind setmining just 66bbs deep as these stacks can go in quite easily postflop (not nearly as much RIO risk such as playing with deeper stacks that won't go in nearly as easily).

Gfoldingpreflopisfine,imoG
gobbledygeek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Yesterday, 03:39 PM   #15
c0rnBr34d
adept
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 794
Re: 1/3: In Position with 33 as the Preflop Raiser; Everyone Checks to Me on Flop

Quote:
Originally Posted by gobbledygeek View Post
65% of hands at my table are raised (I've done some tests). There's just too good a chance someone raises, and now we're facing a typical 7x raise or whatever with lots of 66bb stacks, it's very meh.

If we knew it would limp around the majority of the time, then I actually wouldn't mind setmining just 66bbs deep as these stacks can go in quite easily postflop (not nearly as much RIO risk such as playing with deeper stacks that won't go in nearly as easily).

Gfoldingpreflopisfine,imoG
Sounds to me like you're making this decision based on YOUR 1/3 game rather than OPs game. He only says the game is tight and weak except for the BB. A tight weak game shouldn't have 65% of pre flop hands raised. He also hasn't indicated other players raise sizings. It's possible someone could open for 4 or 5 BB. UTG+2 is playing 100BB so not everyone is that short. If the 100 BB stack opens for 5 BB we are getting 20:1 to set mine in position and if anyone else calls it's gravy. Worst case scenario, someone does open 7x and the 100 BB stack folds, we can also limp fold. If it turns out your assumptions on PFR% and sizing are correct then we can open fold here pre, but I the OP doesn't provide enough info to make that determination IMO.
c0rnBr34d is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Yesterday, 03:46 PM   #16
tdammon
centurion
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 179
Re: 1/3: In Position with 33 as the Preflop Raiser; Everyone Checks to Me on Flop

I like the raise pre. In passive games you should pick up small pots when you can. Plus if you get heads up you will take down a lot of pots OTF. I’m probably betting half pot on this flop. Planning to x turns and evaluate river. Passive players will often fold weak As here when The board comes out monotone.

Last edited by tdammon; Yesterday at 03:52 PM. Reason: Sp
tdammon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Yesterday, 03:54 PM   #17
c0rnBr34d
adept
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 794
Re: 1/3: In Position with 33 as the Preflop Raiser; Everyone Checks to Me on Flop

As for the OP, I think the raise from UTG+3 in a 10 handed game is too ambitious with 33 (especially with the BB read) and agree with over limping assuming stack and raise sizings will allow you to set mine profitably (I like 20:1 but can be flexible a bit depending on the V). Post I do like a 1/2 pot flop bet unless BB is not only sticky pre flop but also sticky post. If the latter then just x. If called OTF, x/f.
c0rnBr34d is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Yesterday, 04:33 PM   #18
gobbledygeek
Poet Laureate of LLSNL
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 29,119
Re: 1/3: In Position with 33 as the Preflop Raiser; Everyone Checks to Me on Flop

Quote:
Originally Posted by c0rnBr34d View Post
Sounds to me like you're making this decision based on YOUR 1/3 game rather than OPs game. He only says the game is tight and weak except for the BB. A tight weak game shouldn't have 65% of pre flop hands raised. He also hasn't indicated other players raise sizings. It's possible someone could open for 4 or 5 BB. UTG+2 is playing 100BB so not everyone is that short. If the 100 BB stack opens for 5 BB we are getting 20:1 to set mine in position and if anyone else calls it's gravy. Worst case scenario, someone does open 7x and the 100 BB stack folds, we can also limp fold. If it turns out your assumptions on PFR% and sizing are correct then we can open fold here pre, but I the OP doesn't provide enough info to make that determination IMO.
Yup, that's definitely fair enough. If there's a good chance this is going to limp around, I definitely can't hate on attempting to get into a pot for cheap and overlimping after 2 limpers (especially if those limpers or others behind are morans).

GcluelesssituationnoobG
gobbledygeek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Yesterday, 05:19 PM   #19
Javanewt
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: a farm in the country
Posts: 8,209
Re: 1/3: In Position with 33 as the Preflop Raiser; Everyone Checks to Me on Flop

I'd bet if we were deeper, but nobody has enough left to bet now -- the pot is too big, and it'd be terrible if someone were waiting to check/raise.

If $25 is your normal raise after two limpers, it's fine (although limping is better, as you know), but it seems pretty big.

(I'm definitely limping pre.)
Javanewt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Yesterday, 05:24 PM   #20
tdammon
centurion
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 179
Re: 1/3: In Position with 33 as the Preflop Raiser; Everyone Checks to Me on Flop

Quote:
Originally Posted by Javanewt View Post
I'd bet if we were deeper, but nobody has enough left to bet now -- the pot is too big, and it'd be terrible if someone were waiting to check/raise.

If $25 is your normal raise after two limpers, it's fine (although limping is better, as you know), but it seems pretty big.

(I'm definitely limping pre.)
Why is getting x/r here terrible. We are bluffing and should be able to make an easy fold.
tdammon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Today, 12:46 AM   #21
barney big nuts
grinder
 
Join Date: Dec 2017
Posts: 662
Re: 1/3: In Position with 33 as the Preflop Raiser; Everyone Checks to Me on Flop

Because you can check and still win the pot some % of the time and once in a while get a tiny vbet in otr when 4th speade turns or rivers
barney big nuts is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply
      

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:10 AM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 2008-2017, Two Plus Two Interactive
 
 
Poker Players - Streaming Live Online