1/3 Live 10-Handed (No Rake, Time Charge)

UTG+1 limps. He has around $200.

UTG+2 limps. She has around $300.

I’m in UTG+3 with 3s 3c.

I raise to $25 because the table has been tight. The players have been folding to my raises. I have around $400.

However, I think calling is better because of the BB. I haven’t raised his limps but when he limps, he has called everyone’s raises so he will probably call my raises too.

This is another situation where I need to slow down and assess the situation before making a play.

Everyone folds to the BB, who calls. He has around $200.

The limpers also call. Based on their reactions to the BB call, I think they would’ve folded if the BB didn’t call because they folded earlier to my raises.

Therefore, I think the limpers have weak hands. The BB is probably weak too since he is loose.

Flop ($101): As 9s 4s

BB has been semi-aggressive postflop. I think he could bet with a strong flush draw or strong Ace here.

The other players in the hand are passive postflop.

They all check to me.

Your play?

Give up

Yeah from UTG+3 probably a better spot to limp pocket 3s rather than building a big pot. Granted you still got position on the flop but would have been gross if others had position on you.

Once you get to that flop 4-handed, seems like a spew to keep betting.

Fold pre or maybe limp. I wouldn’t try to blast off here post, but if you do you’re gonna have to unload the clip.

Find a game that isn’t 10 handed, ****.

You had a plan to steal or presumably make some moves if you get HU. Now it’s OK to accept that didn’t work out and give it up.

It’s like raising SB with ATC to steal the BB from a nit. If it works 80% of the time, you print money, as long as you don’t then starting firing away with air when he calls you.

As played, give up.

I don't like pre. Limp or fold.

Preflop is fine. You can make a case for all 3 options (fold, overlimp or iso raise).

Flop I'd definitely give up 3+ways. You could Cbet this if it was HU though.

Just overlimp pre. Why anyone would fold pre in this spot is beyond me. But I see no reason at all to iso raise two EP limpers with 33 with half the table still to act.

Wow, I always cbet here unless a nit has played and sometimes I'll still shoot at it. It's a good thing my game is soft. Then again, thing about my soft game is that it's so tight and because of my image, I think my opponent's are not limp-calling me w weak aces, like AQ, so I can fire away here like I'm h2h with the bb.

Edit: Also, now I think about it, two ep limpers(in my game) aren't calling me just cuz some goofy guy in bb called. All this considered, if the pfr was closer to my standard 12-17, I would still shoot here at a table of unknowns.

If there's a couple of guys beyond you who like to squeeze, then folding pre is best.

+1 the Iso didn't thin the field, and you didn't hit your set, it's time to give up.

Now you're just making up circumstances to fit some fold pre narrative. The pot hasn't even been raised yet and you're already talking about "a couple of guys who like to squeeze". Which there aren't even any, since OP clearly stated the table is tight.

So I'm sticking with it: don't fold.

I actually just fold preflop due to poor RIO with small pocket pairs. I hate raising even more due to result (i.e. multiway) is completely standard at most tables I've played at. Also hate putting in huge chunks of stacks at tables which feature lots of shortstacks (2 stacks are described at being just 66bbs, this is not a game where we should be raising anything other than monsters, imo).

I just check 4ways. Passive people check to the raiser therefore we have zero information on what anyone could have. Let's see a turn and see what happens (mostly giving up).

GmoreABCwiththesestacksizes,imoG

65% of hands at my table are raised (I've done some tests). There's just too good a chance someone raises, and now we're facing a typical 7x raise or whatever with lots of 66bb stacks, it's very meh.

If we knew it would limp around the majority of the time, then I actually wouldn't mind setmining just 66bbs deep as these stacks can go in quite easily postflop (not nearly as much RIO risk such as playing with deeper stacks that won't go in nearly as easily).

Gfoldingpreflopisfine,imoG

Sounds to me like you're making this decision based on YOUR 1/3 game rather than OPs game. He only says the game is tight and weak except for the BB. A tight weak game shouldn't have 65% of pre flop hands raised. He also hasn't indicated other players raise sizings. It's possible someone could open for 4 or 5 BB. UTG+2 is playing 100BB so not everyone is that short. If the 100 BB stack opens for 5 BB we are getting 20:1 to set mine in position and if anyone else calls it's gravy. Worst case scenario, someone does open 7x and the 100 BB stack folds, we can also limp fold. If it turns out your assumptions on PFR% and sizing are correct then we can open fold here pre, but I the OP doesn't provide enough info to make that determination IMO.

I like the raise pre. In passive games you should pick up small pots when you can. Plus if you get heads up you will take down a lot of pots OTF. I’m probably betting half pot on this flop. Planning to x turns and evaluate river. Passive players will often fold weak As here when The board comes out monotone.

As for the OP, I think the raise from UTG+3 in a 10 handed game is too ambitious with 33 (especially with the BB read) and agree with over limping assuming stack and raise sizings will allow you to set mine profitably (I like 20:1 but can be flexible a bit depending on the V). Post I do like a 1/2 pot flop bet unless BB is not only sticky pre flop but also sticky post. If the latter then just x. If called OTF, x/f.

Yup, that's definitely fair enough. If there's a good chance this is going to limp around, I definitely can't hate on attempting to get into a pot for cheap and overlimping after 2 limpers (especially if those limpers or others behind are morans).

GcluelesssituationnoobG

I'd bet if we were deeper, but nobody has enough left to bet now -- the pot is too big, and it'd be terrible if someone were waiting to check/raise.

If $25 is your normal raise after two limpers, it's fine (although limping is better, as you know), but it seems pretty big.

(I'm definitely limping pre.)

Why is getting x/r here terrible. We are bluffing and should be able to make an easy fold.

Because you can check and still win the pot some % of the time and once in a while get a tiny vbet in otr when 4th speade turns or rivers

Also, because we will have put in almost 1/4 of our stack and everyone is short so if they have any piece they are waiting to check/shove (or should be). It's just lighting money.

If they aren't check/raising they are flatting with any piece, and nobody has enough money for us to keep bluffing.

I agree UTG+1 is short and may shove pretty wide here. UTG+2 started with a full stack and I don’t think he’s ripping in a $225 AI with mid pair and flush draw here. Given the read that both UTG players were reluctant to call makes me think a small bet is the best play. But I agree that if UTG+1 is the type who will semibluff jam here than we are better off checking.

1/3 Live 10-Handed (No Rake, Time Charge)

UTG+1 limps. He has around $200.

UTG+2 limps. She has around $300.

I’m in UTG+3 with 3s 3c.

I raise to $25 because the table has been tight. The players have been folding to my raises. I have around $400.

However, I think calling is better because of the BB. I haven’t raised his limps but when he limps, he has called everyone’s raises so he will probably call my raises too.

This is another situation where I need to slow down and assess the situation before making a play.

Everyone folds to the BB, who calls. He has around $200.

The limpers also call. Based on their reactions to the BB call, I think they would’ve folded if the BB didn’t call because they folded earlier to my raises.

Therefore, I think the limpers have weak hands. The BB is probably weak too since he is loose.

Flop ($101): As 9s 4s

BB has been semi-aggressive postflop. I think he could bet with a strong flush draw or strong Ace here.

The other players in the hand are passive postflop.

They all check to me.

I bet $50. Everyone folds.

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Thanks for the replies. It looks like my play is too spewy. I went strongly with live reads on this one. The players all checked pretty quickly and it looked like they were not interested in the pot.

Still, with a half pot bet, I need everyone to fold 33% of the time to break even. Let’s estimate that UTG+1 and UTG+2 are 70% to fold and BB is 50% to fold.

That’s only 24.5% (70% * 70% * 50%), which is lower than 33%.

To get around 33%, we need BB to also be at 70% to fold. 70% * 70% * 70% is 34.3%.

70% for each player seems super generous so checking seems best.