Just sat down 1 orbit ago, opened a couple hands and haven’t been to show down. I guess I look like action.

1/3 effective 500. UTG straddles 6.

Action folds to hero in SB with AA, and I open to 25. Bb calls and straddle calls.
3 ways
(75) flop KQJr
Hero?

Not sure if I should be cbetting? X/c?
Spot doesn’t seems great? How should I think about this spot?

Check

check 100% of the time

X

1/3 easy game
put more money in on blank turns

Are we check/folding?

Why are we not bet/folding? (Can’t we get value from AQ AQ KT QT JT

That's a brutal board for aces. Even if you hit your set, you could easily be beat by a V having a T. One of your Vs probably smashed this flop and has two pair or a set of jacks.

You have to check here and see what the Vs do. If it gets checked around, you can consider betting a blank on the turn.

no, I mean bet 1/3p

I'm with ionutd, I'd bet $25 on flop

Hero bets 30. BB folds. straddle calls.
(135) Turn 4x
Hero checks. Straddle bets 90. Hero?

^^
This seems to be the biggest problem with cbet lol

in the check camp too. ap prob calling the turn but it kinda sucks.

Check call flop, check folding large turn or river bets.

good turn to shovel some money in the pot
think about how weak straddle is pre and how many KXs he completes
bet your straights, most sets, 2p, AA/AK and weak Ax for bluffs
can go 1/2p or a bit more
you're better off x/c your sdv+equity combos KT/QT/JT
combos with blockers to straights that you don't want to x/c can be used as x/r, together with top set, TT/99, J9s/Q9s (if you cb these)

anyway, you cb small because your equity share is not fantastic in a mw pot. when you get your safe turn and are hu, go ahead and bet for value. your range is now way ahead. this is esentially a bvb spot, in wide vs wide ranges, when you have a clear range advantage, there's a lot of thin vbetting going on and your opp is supposed to call down lighter as well

the board texture is not nearly the same as a 765x . your opp has no sets and fewer combos of straights/2p

if you put AA in your x turn range, it's never to x/f

yea pretty much.

against 2 randos with no info OOP, now its too late to control the pot.

i would have bet the brick if i bet the flop.

i suppose you could stereotype the villains since you have no info

Any chance the straddler raises his straddle if limped to? With these largish stacks we won't be able to get in a large enough percentage of our stack preflop with a "reasonable" raise to feel comfortable stacking off postflop, and yet thanks to being OOP we'll often put ourselves in a spot where our opponents will be able to trivially play for stacks. So with this in mind, I'd consider limping (to reraise to setup a comfortable stackoff) or even just raising extremely small (a minnish raise) to perhaps induce a 3bet or at the very least create a more playable SPR with a perhaps wider looking range. In our case we created an SPR ~6 (3 easy bets to play for stacks preflop OOP) having gotten in only 5% of our stack. About the only thing we have going for us is that it may look like we have a wider range than we actually do (maybe).

Craptastic flop, I'd mostly check/evaluate. A bet doesn't get us any action from smaller pairs on this flop. There are draws that could pay off a bet but it's very possible we're the ones drawing / there are lots of draws with massive equity.

ETA: For me the flop mostly comes down to we'd rather not build a pot towards commitment with this hand on this board. Thanks to preflop that's already going to be very difficult to do (OOP in an SPR ~6 pot) but the train has left the station. The best way to accomplish that at this point is to simply not bet and hope it checks thru. Betting simply guarantees the pot starts growing to a size we don't want, and this is coming home to roost on the turn.

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What the hell does V have? The only one-pair hands that can call are AK and KT, as H is uncapped and V would want blocker. So he most likely has KJ and some KQ too, but he might well have raised flop with KQ. If he's a nit, he could have JJ. Loose players could have QJ here. He'd have re-raised AK OTB.

Hero has probably 13 outs at best. You're getting 2-1. The real question is: can you stack him if you bink? You're out of position and for me this is the main problem. The other is that you're unsure exactly which outs are good.

Folding sucks. The c-bet, like the third margarita, seemed like a good idea at the time. Now we've bloated the pot oop and his call strengthened his range without defining it much.

V could still have the fricking KT and H could still be ahead. H has capped himself with the turn x. What gives me hope is V's sizing of 90. He'd PSB a vulnerable two-pair after a x from Hero. The 90 looks more like KT.

I'm cry calling and hoping for a brick, Q or T.

Super easy call now and not worried about being beaten yet. He can think K2 is good.

Hero folds and moves back down in stakes

I'm not sure if I'll be in the minority or what, but I actually don't mind the fold at this point as played. The bet sets up a river where we'll only have a little over a PSB left, and he'll hold the hammer to threaten the rest of our stack (or at the very least a huge chunk of it). Calling off a decent chunk now just hoping he'll check back or we won't get bluffed is kinda meh. If we're not planning on calling a river bet, I don't think it's horrible to fold now.

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Do you mind offering an opinion on Hero’s c-bet here? It was a difficult decision and I’m torn on whether it was optimal. Thanks!

I stated my opinion above (I'm in the checking camp).

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Name checks out.


I wanted to leave my comment as that, but honestly, opponent left could have a lot of Kx, Qx, Jx as a straddler. I would play that hand out exactly the same way if I was holding AK or K10. He might have a set of Js and Qs some of the time. Hero looks super weak on the turn with that check, as following a c bet on a brick, it looks like you were just trying to steal the pot on the flop.

If I thought Hero was attempting to steal pot preflop/flop, as villain I'd mostly be checking behind all my mediocre showdownable hands (including TP) on the turn.

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The issue is, we don't define ranges at all by betting 1/3rd pot on this flop. And it makes 0 sense to bet this flop and check fold turn.