This is a regular game with a regular group, rotating maybe 50 or so players at various times. Our games always play big, but this particular night many of the 2/5 and 5/10 players invaded our 1/3 game because it was all we had going. Some stacks were very deep ($1K+) and some were extremely shallow ($50-100). Table was split about 50/50, villain and I were deep stacks with $1K-$1400 in front of each of us, I have villain covered. Villain is normally fairly weak/tight, but tonight he's obviously on tilt and playing loose, angry poker. All of this is from memory, so I apologize if any minutia are off.

Villain on SB
Hero UTG+1 dealt: 10J

UTG calls
Hero raise to 10
HJ calls
Villain raise to 20
All call

Flop: 1038

SB checks
UTG checks
Hero bets 60
HJ raises 133 (all in)
Villain calls
UTG folds
Hero calls

Turn 9

Villain checks
Hero bets 250
Villain calls into side pot

River A

Villain bets 250
Hero ???

Please feel free to discuss any aspect of the play on this hand.

What would hijack go allin with on flop? Do you know this player? With limited description given of hijack I fold on flop/what reasonable hand do you beat?

I wasn't terribly concerned with HJ on the flop for a few reasons. First is the player and knowing that I'm often ahead of his range here on a push. The more concrete reasons are that the call was 73 into a pot of about 400 laying me almost 6:1 on the call. Most importantly the 73 call here gives me immense implied odds against the villain for a very cheap price.

ETA: if HJ was the only one in the pot and villain had folded, I might re-evaluate my position and consider a fold. Thinking about it now, it would turn out to be 73 into a 273 pot with an opponent who often asks for it to run twice. I probably call, let him run twice and go for a chop with him.

Think with dry side pot. I check turn. Guy cold call bet/raise should throw up flags.

Check with top pair and open ended straight flush draw? Why? I might consider this if we're talking tournament or I'm under rolled for the game, but I don't see why I would do that here. Please explain.

Weak/tight. Calling bet/raise cold. Has Top pair crap kicker crushed.

We have to much equity to fold. If he jams I wouldn't be happy. Although that is unlikely. Plus if our draws hit we are still getting value.

That definitely makes sense to me, my goal was to get more into the pot at the time. I would have gladly gone all in on the turn with 15-20 outs (depending on his holding) if I'm behind at all with a good non-zero chance that I'm not behind. I have a minimum 30% equity plus a chance to induce a fold.

I do understand your point, but it's not my style I feel like these edges need to be pressed. I don't see my value if my draws come in, I don't think he calls the river.

What range you put him on?

On which street?

I hate the tiny preflop raise.
I hate the flop donk bet.
I hate the turn bet
Fold the river.

The only thing I like is calling the extra $10 preflop.

Flop and turn

Unless the OP has a nitty image and the potential for significant post-flop fold equity, the PF raise from EP seems pretty spewy.

Preflop is small. Even for me.

Flop PFR already checked.

Turn I definitely don't like. Even with all are outs. If he jams we are putting in 200BB as a dog. For a large -EV mistake.

My PF raise wasn't tiny, slightly more than 3X. While he and I and a few others on the table were very deep, there were others who weren't. My standard raise was anywhere from $10-$25.

Top pair on that flop with 3 opponents with me c-bet is a donk bet there? Maybe I'm really out of touch with poker. What do you do there given the action? I have to admit that in the moment, his tiny 3-bet didn't register in my brain until I had a significant decision on the river and replayed the hand in my head. So, in my mind I still had initiative in this hand. Seems moot anyway, since V checked in front of me. But I am curious what you'd do in my place on the flop.

I've gotten from another response that the turn bet was unwise in their opinion. I thought the turn bet was aggressive, but it seems like a stylistic difference. Is there a mathematical or reading reason that this was a bad bet? I am looking for insight that I can apply in the future, not only this hand. What is your read on this street?

On the river, what did he make that I should fold to? Is there any range that you feel I'm ahead of?

On the flop, after his check/call, I consider his range to be mostly in the small pocket pair range, or draws. Top pair is possible, so is two pair, but I think his range leans significantly into the draw (J9/79) range or <99 pockets with the possibility of a set.

When the turn makes the board extremely wet and he doesn't raise the bet, my read leans very heavily into the draw range that paired his 9 and wants to see the river as cheaply as possible for showdown value on his 9s or to hit his draw. Any sets or 2 pair reads at this point become very small in my mind, so does any flush draw containing an A.

What's your read on these streets?

I agree, the raise pre in EP was definitely loose. Maybe it should have leaned more into the larger range if I wanted to play the hand from this position but I chose smaller at the time. Also, while I'm fairly LAG in my cash play in this environment, I still have at least 50/50 pot takedown with a c-bet, even multi way.

This whole hand and your thought process is a mess.

First, turn check isn't style difference. I am likely loosest guy who post in this forum. Also one of the most aggro.

Your putting him as mostly draws. Is he 3 betting 79 and j9 from OOP? If he is. I would be 4 betting our **** hand and folding.

He has easy fold on flop with all pocket pairs below a 10.

There was a bet and a raise. Only complete Donkey is calling with PP less than 10.

We have 10x. with worst possible kicker at this point. How are we ahead of 2 guys? Unlikely they both have j-9 and 9-7.

River is easiest fold ever vs most villains. But this definitely sounds like an ego filled game. And $500 in side pot is definitely worth bluffing at.

3X raise after a limper is tiny. If I was at this table I would 3 bet you in this spot with any hand that I wanted to play because your raise telegraphs your hand. Its a "pot builder" raise with a hand just like yours.

You may or may not have many good players in your player pool, but I promise you that the good ones will punish you preflop. Raising the hand is fine. Raising to $10 after a limper in a 1/3 game is not fine.

Id make it $25 and I dont care if there are short stacks at the table.

The term "donk bet" means leading into the raiser. Since you got 3 bet, I think most people would consider it a "donk bet". I actually hate the term because it implies that leading into the raiser is a donk move, which is not the case a lot of the time. In this case though, I hate it. I would check the flop and see what happens.

3bet came from blinds. And already check flop

OK, betting the flop is fine then...although I wouldnt bet full pot. (I think its full pot, the HH is confusing and he didnt list pot sizes)

You call it an ego filled game and maybe that's a good description. The game is definitely unconventional. The players here are in the maniac range in any conventional game. I travel and play elsewhere often, and there are no games like ours. Think Big O at the series pre 2008 and that is 100% our games.

In all of this analysis, I think it's becoming more clear that the nuances of this game played fairly heavily into the process of it and those are difficult to explain at best. So maybe we can boil it down to what you put him on through the turn and river and why you put him there. I think that insight could be helpful to me.

Your tone seems a little contentious to me and I realize that you don't know me from Adam nor my game. But I haven't given any reason to make you feel unheard and therefore resorting to a harsher tone to get through to me. I've only asked for concrete reasoning for what you're saying so that I can understand. I am very receptive to the possibility that I played this hand poorly, but I'd like reasons beyond "because I said so" in order to improve for future, similar situations.

I didn't do the math, I should have. The pot was approx 80, bet was 60, so 3/4.

I've said before in a previous reply that my $10 raise was in the low end. I agree with $25 being better in hindsight for sure. That said, I could stand a reasonable 3bet or a small one like what happened here.

Action as it was, what would you do on the turn? What about the river?

I check behind on the turn. The pot is like $480 and it appears to me that villain has an over pair. I think you need the free card. I would never fire $250 into the side pot when there's a good chance you cant even beat the HJ who is all in and Im pretty certain you are behind the deeper villain as well. You need the free card.

Even if you get the deeper villain to fold the best hand, you still have to beat the HJ and I think its likely you're behind him also. Betting $250 after he already checked to you is spew in this instance.

I asked in my first response to you, but I don't think you answered. What do you put V on each street here? Do you think there are any holdings in any of those ranges that we're ahead of?