Hero has $400, just table changed to new game 3 orbits ago. Mid 20's white guy. Table has been very snug in the small time I've been there, every pot has ended preflop with either a chop or villain raising pre and everyone folding.

Villain has $600+, as mentioned before has raised to $12 pre flop at a high frequency (At least 2/3 of the 25 hands or so I've observed). Mid 30's mexican guy.

Folds around to villain on cutoff and he opens to 12. Folds to us. Hero in the BB 3 bets J10 to 35. Villain calls.

Pot $70 after rake.

Flop 10 9 3

Hero bets 50, villain calls.

Pot $170.

Turn Q

I know we picked up equity so we should probably bet again, but is there any case of our hand being too strong to b/f? Should we not worry about that at all because villain will almost never raise us here? And if he does, we basically have to felt our hand right?

What's the reasoning for the 3b pre? As played, barrel turn and x f unimproved rivers.

Bet 120 or so and call it off.

EDIT: The much more difficult decision is what to do if he flats and the river is a blank. Check/decide, I guess, and probably fold to a big bet, but it's not going to be a pleasant fold.

What's the reasoning behind barreling the turn & x/f unimproved rivers?

Protection and value if we are good ott and not paying off made hands otr?

I can understand the reasoning for 3betting, as obviously this guy is opening napkins quite a lot. However, I think there are some reasons we can just flat here. First, we're kinda ok with not bloating the pot too much OOP. Second, we don't necessarily have to setup a steal with air by 3betting / cbetting; we could do this by simply calling any flop bet and then donking the turn (and the latter is far less expensive). And we already know it's going to end up HU, so it's not as if we need to 3bet to isolate.

This flop is one of the reasons flatting is kinda ok, imo. 3betting set up an SPR of ~5, which doesn't exactly give us a lot of room to move with TP; I mean, Villain can trivially make us play for stacks now, is that something we want with just TPmK? If we hadda flatted, that would have setup an SPR of ~15, one that gives us many more options postflop (bet/fold each street if we feel comfortable folding, or check/call setting up a bluffcatcher, or whatever).

ETA: As played, I would hate getting blown off my draw, so I'd probably just check/call the turn. I also kinda hate this turn card as a lot of draws that called the flop just hit this card (and they ain't folding).

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ETA#2: It also isn't a crime to fold preflop, imo. After all, we'll be OOP to an aggro player with a J high drawing hand, which probably isn't going to be too incredibly profitable unless we get really FPS postflop when we flop air. We have position for the majority of hands against this guy, we could just wait for those spots, imo.

call or fold pre, this hand isn't nearly good enough to 3bet for value and not a hand type I'd want to turn into a 3bet light (OOP small pp and Ax better).

AP, I agree with bobman0330 that turn is a b/c. Since we decided to bloat a pot OOP with a medium strength hand, it would seem we've decided to play some pretty high variance poker.

I'm not totally clear on your characterization of the villain -- seems like you're saying he's basically a madman preflop, and that nobody at the table is standing up to him.

What you don't know is whether he's also a madman after the flop or when somebody stands up to him preflop. So: I guess you're finding that out on this hand. Because you're in a no-information zone, you should have tread more carefully, IMHO, maybe check/calling the turn and/or just flatting preflop.

Honestly, I feel like you're committed at this point -- because you have to think there's at least a reasonable chance that villain will keep playing a weak hand, based on his ultra-loose behavior preflop. I would check, expecting that V will bluff at your sign of weakness, and then call.

Not 3betting preflop would make me pretty upset. Even if this guy's true opening range is actually as tight as 50% of hands (!!), there's very fat value in building a pot against him. How often is he going to make a playable hand with K5o?

Why do you have to 3-bet?

It seems like flatting pre, then raising post would work too. Remember that you're the BB so you get the chance to punch first after the flop. Normally that's not much of an advantage, but if this player is playing napkins and will fold to anyone aggressive, that first punch should get him to put them down.

What are we protecting against, A3o?

This is the clearest check/call spot in the world, precisely because we don't need protection, and bluffing makes no sense.

The Q isn't actually that great a card for you.

It also gives JJ an OESD + better pair that isn't folding; it gives a flopped QJ OESD a better pair to go along with the draw; it gives KT a draw to go along with the better pair; 33, 99, TT, QQ-AA are always sticking around, of course; it gives QT two-pair that isn't folding; if KQ peeled with the gut shot, it not has a better pair + draw, etc.

No point in a turn bet. Check/decide. If you have to c/f, that's OK, you probably don't have that much equity vs. a bet. While it's incredibly unlikely, a K can even give V a better straight with something like AhJh. I'm not concerned about that so much.

Just because you now have a pair + draw doesn't necessarily mean you really picked up that much equity.

That's one way to build a 270BB pot with maybe 20% equity and sometimes with only 4% equity to win and 9% to tie (when V has QJs).

The risk-reward for betting the turn is not there (it lacks meaningful value or bluff equity), and it definitely doesn't justify getting all-in as a huge equity dog when villain doesn't go away on the turn. It's actually pretty spewy. Like I wrote above, the Q isn't that great.

There's plenty of value in a bet. He could have J9, J8, even J7. Lots of worse tens, plenty of 9s and underpairs. We don't know what this guy will do with those hands, but he's playing like a maniac preflop, so he's probably not planning to just roll over post. There's also significant protection/value against diamond draws, overcards, and hands that might otherwise bluff us out of the pot.

All we know is V raised pre-flop ~15 out of ~25 hands. It's a very small sample. We don't have a guess as to how often he calls our 3-bet, how he plays post-flop etc. His pre-flop range may be wide (it may not), but there's no reason to think he's calling us down on multiple streets with under pairs or that he'll turn a hand that called the flop into a bluff if we check. If our read was that V is a maniac and can be incredibly wide here, then it might be an interesting spot to check/shove the turn. I don't really see a scenario where bet/shove is a great plan or will get us all-in with any decent equity. And if V calls our bet and we don't improve on the river, we very seriously have to consider c/f river.

To the people asking why 3 bet, the short answer is to build a pot for the times the villain will miss flop completely (which is a large percentage of the time because his range is way too wide). We make a bigger profit by 3 betting and betting basically any board 70% pot than if we were to call pre and donk flop like some of you have said. (Yes it's higher variance)

I really don't have any problem double barreling air against these type of players, but unfortunately, we don't have air here. I felt at the time that the Q was a pretty bad card for me to barrel because of all his overcard peels/gutshot draws smashing this turn. I REALLY did not want to b/f this turn, so i ended up checking.

Pot 170, Villain bets 110. This is basically a must call here though, right guys? Villain is probably betting his entire range when we check this turn, our hand looks a lot like AK, we have a decent pair/draw combo. I don't really see any other option after x'ing.

This guy gets it.