I have a losing image on the table as the table has seen me lose 2nd nut flush to nut flush on the river when 2 other people had sets. Pot was massive and I called off $200 on the river after hitting.

After the hand in the last half hour I have open raised and c-bet twice only to have to give up. OTTH

There is a button straddle for $6 and two limps in front of me in the cutoff. I’m going to give my action as I think most people (with the exception of probably GG) would be in the same ballpark. I raise to $30 and the button and SB limper are only callers.

Flop ($99) Q97r they both check and action is on me.

Assume standard loose passive live players as my read. Button is in his 20’s, SB in his 50’s.

Title says your the Button, description says your the Cutoff and the villain is on the Button.Kinda changes everything, no?

Button in his 20's, SB in his 50's that's your only reads in over an hour of play?

Bet $60

I am betting $30 on the flop..

Just realized I said in OP that I was button. I was in CO and the button straddled.

Sorry, just corrected I was cutoff. I am looking for standard play here. Don’t want to taint responses with my reads.

Stacks?

Bigger pre. Probably 40.

As played 40 on the flop. You called them loose passives so they're going to call with a lot.

Checking is beyond horrible with your image thus far, and esp when people have seen you give up repeatedly after cbetting

Bigger pre

Stack sizes matter on how aggressive you want to bet this. But with a losing image and a somewhat wet board multiway you always want to bet this. $60 looks good in general.

Sorry, Button $650, SB ($450) - This is after calling PFR. I have around $450 as well.

Is this really an I have top set otb w a bad image thread?

Bet flop. If straight card turns bet smaller when checked to and call if raised. When river doesn’t pair board and you face a shove you’ll be between fold and call.

Yes & I guess there is no reason for you to return to the thread.

Were you expecting to open a thread with some never before seen scenario?

I like a > PSB to set up a turn AI. Sizing is relatively inelastic for draws like JT/T8/KT are, so let's max value.

$115.

With our stack I might go slightly larger preflop if I think I can get away with it.

SPR is just over 4 on the flop, so if necessary we could get in stacks with 2 large bets. Board ain't too drawy. So I don't think a check is horrendous.

But I think I bet small just to get the ball rolling. Maybe even lol $25 (1/4 PSB) as almost any hand (including A high) is going to have a hard time passing that up.

GcluelessNLnoobG

I could certainly get behind this on a drawy board where no draw is folding the flop; put a flush draw out there on this same board and I'm cool with this sizing.

But this board just ain't drawy enough for that, and meanwhile a non-reasonable very small bet should entice almost ATC to put in some money, and hopefully those ATC hands hit the turn to start paying off the bigger bets.

GcluelessNLnoobG

No stacks, positions wrong, nuts pre, nuts otf... you’re right, nothing to see here for anyone.

Your point is taken. It was a very poorly written OP. It was also the first one I ever drafted on my phone and not a laptop. So enough thought probably did not go into it.

Now that that is out of the way I will try to continue and salvage the thread. I didn’t want to check with all of the straight draws that could be out there and all of the pair plus backdoor str8 and flush draws that are available. But I figured going too large is not good with the board crushed. I bet $45, button folds and SB calls.

Turn J, complete rainbow board.

Pot ($189) and he checks in flow.

Size down a bit and call if he raises to something non-ridiculous.

I'd probably go 2/3 PSB or so of $125, which will leave just over a 1/2 PSB left for the river.

GplanningongoingbrokeifbehindG

My sizing for the turn was mostly to make a comfortable river shove sizing. I also figured that there is a lot more two pairs that can shove. I’m going to hate all K,T,8 on river so I want my value now. I bet $135, he calls with little delay.

River ($59) 8 and while I am deciding if I should value bet, he jams all-in!

Gross.

There's a crapload of Tx hands. Some like KT/T8 actually got there on the turn. Some pairs like QT/T9/T7 got open ended on the turn. Flopped OESD of JT improved to a pair on the turn.

Not a lotta busted draws he could be bluffing with (86?).

I guess the real question is if he can play a worse set / two pair like this.

GgrossG

No one is really following this thread after my poor initial post..... I folded, and decided to show....and of course he shows KQ.