I said no sane player. You think many guys are going to 3 bet over a $50-$60 raise in a 1/3 game with less worse than JJ+ or AK?. I seriously doubt that but if so then AT is a fold.

Johnny, you're 100% doing this hand a disservice not to spend time on the overcall to the 3bet.

I would either fold or reraise here once the $40 has been been called in so many spots. There is so much money in the pot that it's a glorious reraise spot. We have good info that the button is wide and we now have very strong evidence that none of the other limpers are slow playing a monster (nobody...not even gg is limping a premium pair or AK twice).

Most importantly though, we should never ever be playing this pot 6 ways with a hand with such little nut potential with no initiative or position. You say it yourself in the first line of the post...

Hero elects to limp. ATo is probably ahead of most of most of the limpers but not many flops will be great

So why are we calling the raise? Our only plan is to mash the flop so hard that we're sure we're ahead and that's not a good enough plan.

Raise to $350>fold >>>>>>>>>>call

Raise to $55 pre. Potentially grabbing the BTN is extremely valuable.

While L/C is at attractive odds, ATo offers little in the way of equity pickup on turn. We are essentially hoping to flop big. Fold to the raise.

As played, check.

Hero checks to the raises

BTN checks behind

Turn (250): Jd7d2s[Td]

UTG+1 checks
MP checks
MP+1 checks
HJ bets 40

Hero?

I agree that I played this hand poorly and options were available that were much better. L/rr the flop is definitely something I probably should have taken more time with.

Just call this turn

The BTN cannot do anything too clever now, because the HJ likely has a straight or a small flush to bet out. You're going to get direct odds to draw to your NF. If the BTN blasts off, the HJ acts before you. So you might be protected in your call to some extent.

If you raise, you might get jammed off your draw and you'd get poor pot odds to re-draw if anyone jammed.

You cannot rule out the possibility that an A or T might still be an out for you too if HJ is betting light with two pair. I prefer to play this hand as a 20/40 limit pot and just take my draw without further complication. The Kd/Qd -x might look you up if you make your hand, but if not a 350 pot is good too.

The key to seeing the turn is to get a 4th card face up.

Turn card is ????

Call, if the river is a blank this is a great spot to bluff.

Way late to the party here, but we should have made it $250 pre after the $40/callfest.

Flop is an obvious check.
Turn seems to be missing a card?

Turn is Td.

HJ is betting 1/6 pot, I would be highly surprised if he had a flush. A jack is most likely. I don't care that I'm getting direct odds to hit the nut flush, raising sounds best after everyone's displaying so much weakness and there's this much in the middle that is just up for grabs. I raise to at least 160, which might still be too small. Let's do 180. Everyone will fold and you'll win a nice pot.

sorry, this is a formatting thing i do because people tend to forget the board so i usually show the whole board and put turn and river in brackets to distinguish.

board is currently Jd7d2s[Td], with the Td being the turn card.

This

Late to the party, plus I suck at deepstack, but...

I just overlimp preflop. With a zillion limpers in the pot including loose players we're just not ever thinning the field here unless we go ridiculously big (which with regards to Aces will eliminate all dominated ones and only keep the dominating ones). Let's just see a cheap flop in position on most and see what happens.

ETA: I was cool with the overlimp, and now I just fold to the raise. Yeah, we're getting good odds closing the action. But we're going to be OOP to the raiser and aren't going to flop a straight/trips/twopair (the latter which sometimes carries huge RIO) enough. We're going to be in a lol SPR pot of like 1 - 4, which is horrible for this very speculative hand. We tried to get into a pot for cheap, nice try, it didn't work out, we lose our insignificant ~1bb, and now we fold, imo.

ETA#2: Flop looks like a pretty easy check/giveup eleventeen ways with the raiser still behind us to act.

ETA#3: Limp/reraise idea is interesting, but in the end I just think it runs into bigger hands too often. I'll admit I'm too lazy to go back and read all the player reads, but in my game I just see too many passive bigger AJ+ here and sometimes even bigger medium pairs (especially as stacks get deep and not everyone wants to initiate getting them in themselves with QQ/JJ but won't be folding either).

ETA#4: We're getting over 7:1 to call for our nut flush draw, so that's likely just what I do, and even hope I invite some others along to pad my immediate odds (since obviously our IO suck, but we don't require them). I guess we could get a little aggro facing this LP lol bet, but in the end dude did end up opening up the betting in a large pot eleventeen ways, and that has to be given some respect.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Hero calls the 40

BTN folds
UTG+1 c/r to 140
MP folds
MP+1 folds
HJ reluctantly folds

Hero?

Please post pot total.

Pot is currently 470

Action is 100 for us to call

We are 1120 effective before acting on the c/r

Only call if we think V will pay off another bet if the 4-flush comes in.

Since we have position, I would call.

Lol at V's sizing.

Call, then I would bluff all non paired board rivers.

Looks like we're getting 4.7:1? But interestingly 2 outs put out an obvious 4-to-a-straight-flush possibility, plus it's possible other straight flushes can be made, plus it's possible he already has a straight flush, plus the 2d may be dirty some of the time (so we do have RIO on a lotta of our "outs"). On top of that our IO obviously suck. So even though it looks like we're just barely getting the correct immediate odds, I believe all told this is likely a fold.

GcluelessNLnoobG

what do you expect V to have in this situation with his line?

limp/call pre
check flop
check/raise turn for lol sizing

sets, 2 pairs, small flushes, straights, air, draws, combo draws, straight flush, anything.

Seems like he's just pathetically attacking dead money.