V1 ($900) (MP) 50's guy here on business splashing around playing 80% of pots and raising 40% of them pre. He is on his third bullet but has been winning recently and is sitting $900 deep.

V2 ($575) (Button) 20's regular that is a winning player! Plays tight and adjusts to players like V1. He has begun three betting V1 and scooping up easy pots. We have played a lot together and he sees me as overall loose and sticky post-flop (his read is correct).

Hero ($775) (SB) I gave you V2's reads on me and I am pretty sure V1 is not really paying attention to playing styles. Two hands that I played with V1 on paired boards earlier in the night:

as the preflop raiser V1 bet out on a A10Xr board. I check called a small bet. The turn paired the ace and I check raised small a weak lead that he called and then I bombed the river (I was bluffing but didnt show), he folded rather quickly.

OOP he called a raise pre and min check raised a 1033 board. On an 8 turn he went all in (for $750 effective ), and after I folded showed A3s.

On to the hand: We are in SB with 8 8

Pre-flop MP limps and button raises to $18. I would sometimes three bet the button here with 88, but with the massive fish in MP I think this is clearly wrong and would be much more apt to fold than re-raise. With stack sizes like they are, I think calling is clearly correct. I call the $18 and MP calls the $18 as well.

Flop ($57): J77 I check, MP checks and Button checks

Turn ($57): A I check with the intention to fold and then what I didn't expect to happen happens. MP (fish) bets $35 and the button folds. I know that the fish is capable of betting all gut shot straight draws as well as as strong hands here. My read on the situation is that the fish doesn't have an Ace because he limp called pre (with a very high percentage of open raises), and the button checked behind on the flop (so I would expect him to have a lot of Ace high hands). I call with the intention of folding to rivers that are bombed and either calling or check-raising weak river bets. I also think that villain will check behind with the a J or a bad Ace if he happens to have them.

Then I get the river card from heaven .......8

River ($127): This is where it is hard to get the $ from OOP and I would like peoples opinions on what to do. I think there are three options:

1. I played the turn like my hand is a bluff catcher with the expectation that the villains river bet sizing will give away the strength of his hand. So I should check and hope villain continues his bluff, or if he has a 7 to bomb it. I obviously risk villain checking behind any medium strength hand and getting nothing.

2. Bet small (around $35 - $40) to ensure I can get some value from weak show down hands and induce a raise with bare 7's.

3. Bomb it (anywhere from $100 - $150), or even more? and let villain decide if he has something to call with.

Any other options? I will post what I did after some discussion.

bet your value hands when you are unsure

If you have V1 polarized away from Ax then bet small to 3b over a raise seems like the optimal play. His hand range becomes weak showdowns, busts/bluffs, and 7x. You miss out versus his bluffs, but you maximize/make it up vs his weak showdown and probably do better against 7x versus checking.

Bombing seems suboptimal. It does the worst vs the three segments of his hand range IMO, unless he's a real hero caller with his weak showdownable hands

[QUOTE=Thamel18;46170052]If you have V1 polarized away from Ax then bet small to 3b over a raise seems like the optimal play. His hand range becomes weak showdowns, busts/bluffs, and 7x. You miss out versus his bluffs, but you maximize/make it up vs his weak showdown and probably do better against 7x versus checking.
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Yeah, you are right. I thought of this line after the hand. In game I got a little lucky and check raised to $230 after he bet $75 and got paid. I think if I bet small he raises with his naked 7 and calls the bet/3 bet for a larger amount. Of course two hands later he calls a 3 bet pre flop and then gifts the rest of his stack to the good reg on a KQx flop with AQ against the regs QQQ.

40 and jam if he raises.

In game though, I think your line is kind of the obvious one to take immediately.

Does anyone else like an overbet?...$150 or more?,he's not folding an ace and will raise most boats.