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1/3: outplayed.by tight aggro 1/3: outplayed.by tight aggro

05-21-2016 , 11:23 AM
1/3, hero was up $180~ stacked a maniac earlier session.

Sit on left, tight aggro villian. C/r bluff on river twice on two other villains and shown bluff

Hero raised $12 utg +1 with 98d. Called by this villian, and btn (tight good player, hasn't shown big bluff in whole session)

Flop came Qs5h6h, hero cbet $26, called by aggro villian, btn folded

Turn, 6c. Hero fired $50 again to fold out all the possible fds. A Q might fold because I represented strength like kK, AA, maybe AQ

SUPRISE.SUPRISE..villian raised hero in position to $125. Hero reluctantly folded. And being shown A3s

Should hero jam back like $255?
Or what should...


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05-21-2016 , 11:38 AM
Seems to me that this isn't the type of player that you want to be playing speculative hands on OOP. Jamming back in this hand would have worked but generally it's torching chips.
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05-21-2016 , 01:10 PM
It would have worked in this hand but raising turn is a bad idea in general. Unless villain is super bluffy/spewy he is showing bluffs in part to provoke people into trying to push him off his strong hands.

The thing here is to realize you don't want to be a lot of hands against this villain without value. Tighten up your preflop range and cut down flop c-bets so you have more value hands in your range. If your raising 98s in EP there is a good chance your playing too loose to begin with. Villain may be exploiting that, or he may just be too loose himself since he called preflop with A3s.
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05-21-2016 , 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by QuadJ
It would have worked in this hand but raising turn is a bad idea in general. Unless villain is super bluffy/spewy he is showing bluffs in part to provoke people into trying to push him off his strong hands.

The thing here is to realize you don't want to be a lot of hands against this villain without value. Tighten up your preflop range and cut down flop c-bets so you have more value hands in your range. If your raising 98s in EP there is a good chance your playing too loose to begin with. Villain may be exploiting that, or he may just be too loose himself since he called preflop with A3s.
Define too loose? It was 98d. Okay to play, not to mention also when I cbet the qd board I have backdoor fd too.

If I'm not playing speculative hand, what hand should I play with? Exclusively pair+ ? Lol

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05-21-2016 , 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by jake
Seems to me that this isn't the type of player that you want to be playing speculative hands on OOP. Jamming back in this hand would have worked but generally it's torching chips.
Yeah, villian's line seems suspicious when he raised me, I would put him on fd..but i was thinking not to spew my buy in so I just folded.

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05-22-2016 , 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by 3K_TOM17
Define too loose? It was 98d. Okay to play, not to mention also when I cbet the qd board I have backdoor fd too.
Your in EP. 98s is the sort of speculative hand that you want to be playing when you have position. That doesn't mean you should never play it in EP, but it is the sort of hand that depends on table conditions and shouldn't be played often.

If you play speculative hands OOP too often you become vulnerable to exactly this sort of floating and bluffing. Villains know you have to be c-betting air or weak hands on the flop a lot. Because of that they can call very light or float with air on the flop and take the pot away on the turn. You can sometimes come over the top and take it back, but now your risking your entire stack on a bluff. Since a competent villain is going to have TPTK or better more then draws or air, that is mostly just handing your money to others.

The thing about low stakes is that most of the people floating you on the flop are not playing back at you with some intentional plan. They are mostly bad lags who will try to float the flop too often against every opponent. Playing too laggy OOP against these types you just set yourself up for them to play better.
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05-22-2016 , 10:15 AM
I don't mind the Cbet but this is a terrible board to double barrel. The turn is a total brick and your equity is cut in half.

Fold pre is probably best although that is certainly a purdy hand.

Hopefully this specific hand shows you why it's tough to play 98s in early position. If you don't learn your lesson here then you will have to try it a few more times and see how it works out, on average.
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05-22-2016 , 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by 3K_TOM17
Yeah, villian's line seems suspicious when he raised me, I would put him on fd..but i was thinking not to spew my buy in so I just folded.

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Make no mistake about it. This is still spew. Just in more digestible chunks.
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05-23-2016 , 12:07 AM
What the heck is this,,,,,
your asking if you got outplayed on a failed bluff?
Seems ******ed.....you think you will make someone fold AQ/KQ on a q high flop by potting it on the turn?
This isn't how you make money playing poker...especially at 1/3.
Don't raise suited connectors in early position
Don't bluff wet boards
Don't bluff flops where you have essentially zero equity

And you know tight/aggro's are winning players right?
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05-23-2016 , 01:40 AM
Fold pre, save yourself $86. How many hours do you have to play 1/3 to make that? That's how many hours of your life you just wasted.
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05-23-2016 , 02:18 AM
Stack sizes would be important. You say you're up $180, so we're at what? $480? Folding pf unless we can get several stacks that cover us to join. In general, when we're OOP and need to connect strong to feel good about our hand, playing starters like 98s only becomes profitable if we can make enough from the few times we connect versus the heavy loses when we have anything less than 2pair. I'd want effective stacks of at least 200bb to start making these plays. Perhaps if I've been card-dead for a while, I'd do this with medium stacks if the table's aware of my image.
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05-23-2016 , 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by QuantumSurfer
Stack sizes would be important. You say you're up $180, so we're at what? $480? Folding pf unless we can get several stacks that cover us to join. In general, when we're OOP and need to connect strong to feel good about our hand, playing starters like 98s only becomes profitable if we can make enough from the few times we connect versus the heavy loses when we have anything less than 2pair. I'd want effective stacks of at least 200bb to start making these plays. Perhaps if I've been card-dead for a while, I'd do this with medium stacks if the table's aware of my image.
I bought in 200bb, so I was roughly having $780

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05-23-2016 , 03:17 AM
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Originally Posted by The1Kid
What the heck is this,,,,,
your asking if you got outplayed on a failed bluff?
Seems ******ed.....you think you will make someone fold AQ/KQ on a q high flop by potting it on the turn?
This isn't how you make money playing poker...especially at 1/3.
Don't raise suited connectors in early position
Don't bluff wet boards
Don't bluff flops where you have essentially zero equity

And you know tight/aggro's are winning players right?
I'm playing tight the whole session I want to use the image to fire 2nd barrel. Often times. Many beginners just fire on flop and then give up on turn. That gives many info to villiqn

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05-23-2016 , 03:43 AM
Horrible flop bet, esp OOP and MW on this board.

Don't expect 1/2 or any live poker villain's to over-fold any Qx OTT here esp a overpair even the TAG's.

#LightingMoneyOnFire

Why would u even click him back rofl think about it for a sec. Anyways he is bluffing with the best hand don't see how he even outplayed you
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05-23-2016 , 04:02 AM
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Originally Posted by 3K_TOM17
c. Hero fired $50 again to fold out all the possible fds. A Q might fold because I represented strength like kK, AA, maybe AQ
Do you think that $50 into a $90-ish pot gives the appearance of a strong hand like KK trying to charge a flush draw? If you were on the button, would you fold the nut flush draw to that bet?
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05-23-2016 , 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by AsianNit
Do you think that $50 into a $90-ish pot gives the appearance of a strong hand like KK trying to charge a flush draw? If you were on the button, would you fold the nut flush draw to that bet?
I don't expect anyone even myself to fold the nut flush draw to anything pot or less. Maybe an over-bet.

Btw OP now you know this villain will float MW on this board with complete garbage which is very good information.
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05-24-2016 , 04:30 PM
I don't want an aggro Villain sitting to my direct left, so I'd seat change.

I wouldn't open suited connectors in EP when we have zero indication what the rest of the world has, will often end up very multiway to the flop with 9 high (where best hand will win preflop and it's unlikely we will end up with it), OOP to boot. If table is loose passive I could limp this but folding is fine too, imo.

I don't mind a cbet here trying to rep the Q and hoping I can get pairs (and obviously unpaired higher hands) to fold, especially since it is the only way we're now going to win this pot.

This turn card is about as unscary as it gets, so I'd give up unless up against someone I know has a fold button (and this guy ain't that guy).

Even though this guy ain't repping much, reraising is still fairly suicidal given that he probably won't fold any made hand at this point.

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