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1/3 Optimal Play with Flopped Set 1/3 Optimal Play with Flopped Set

05-22-2018 , 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by shorn7
OK and I am fine with that. One of them gets proper odds for one street. Either that or I lose them both and win nothing more. I will take my chances to try and win the extra $164 when they brick and I jam turn and even if they catch, I am OTB and can potentially see the river and fill. There is also the small chance that one of them gets spazzy with their draw and then we can GII on the flop when we are miles ahead. If we raise as you suggest, that % drops dramatically.

Calling is definitely a higher variance play, no question. But given stack sizes and shorty's shove size, I think it is the best play by far.
Maybe you are correct, i am not sure to be honest. By either way, i have to say you have layed out pretty good arguments for flatting.
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05-22-2018 , 02:10 PM
I'm ok with preflop since we know this is going to go multiway for such a lol price and we'll be in position with some calling stations trapped in the hand. The only drawback is that we do risk some RIO with setmining with small pairs (but this is more to be worried about in games where money only goes in postflop when you're beat, which it doesn't sound like is the case here).

Think I'd lean towards a jam on the flop. The effective stack isn't hugenormous, although admittedly it isn't short either, but it's in a grey area where a lotta stacks simply won't fold draws with all this money in the middle. Plus these guys are loose enough to perhaps have a junky two pair hand they ain't folding. If they have a weak hand like second pair then they're probably folding either way, although admittedly a jam likely loses Qx much more than a flat does.

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05-22-2018 , 02:29 PM
I have had to learn to resist my normal urge to jam in these spots. You get to decide if the hand continues likely heads up with a jam, or likely 4 ways with a call. You earn way more money in a 4 way pot, if your set is good.

Multiway hands are often about implicit collusion, and here you are colluding with the best draw to stack the other 2 players.
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05-22-2018 , 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by setintostraight
Results?

Spoiler:
I jammed, both Vs folded, and set of 5s is good. But I think I'm in the call camp - it increases variance but the extra upside is worth it imo.
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05-23-2018 , 11:00 AM
I wouldn't be too results oriented here as it's possible they both had weak hands that were folding to a flat as well.

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