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11-05-2016 , 10:00 PM
2 limpers, I'm (400ish) in CO with AKo, make it 15. Looser button calls. Button seems like a looser reg, a little on the weaker side post flop (tends to c-bet and give up) but I haven't been at the table long so take it with a grain of salt. He's done this like 3 times though. Limpers fold.

Flop is Q72r.

I expect villain (200) to float here a lot. These dry flops OOP have been giving me a lot of trouble.

I don't know. Are we routinely firing 2+ barrels here... are we just checking flop? What's our plan against someone who's not a push over?
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11-05-2016 , 11:03 PM
C-bet with pretty much your entire range here. If he floats a lot, check some value hands and double barrel overcard + bdfd, bdfd, bdsd, stuff that can turn equity.

AK probably good enough to double barrel if he floats a lot
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11-06-2016 , 12:05 AM
No matter what you hold, you should be c betting here heads up a huge percentage of the time. Based on your read, a double barrel on most turns will likely take it down.

Keep in mind that live players do not like to fold. So a double barrel might get him off of a small PP or A7, K7, A2 type hands that have one pair. But he is almost never folding a Q. Considering he only has this type of holding a small percentage of the time, bet. If you bet and he calls, let us know the turn so we can go from there.

GL
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11-06-2016 , 12:17 AM
I half pot it, he calls turn is a 9 no flush draw.
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11-06-2016 , 03:03 AM
Q72 is the most uncoordinated flops of all the possible flops in the game. I always fire two BIG barrels at this because it is almost impossible for someone to just call you down unless they have a set or AQ. Even KQ has lots of trouble calling two barrels from the pre flop raiser.
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11-07-2016 , 03:00 AM
I'm always Cbetting this dry flop, regardless of whether I hit or miss. The only thing dryer than this is probably something like a J22r flop.

If you expect the villain to float you a lot with air, then consider x/calling turn and river with Ace King high. This hand has SDV. If you expect the villain to float you with low pocket pairs, then consider firing a second barrel. And the times when you actually do have a hand (KQ, AQ, QQ, KK or AA), you can check the turn to induce a bluff from all his floats.
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11-07-2016 , 02:14 PM
I typically 1/2 PSB here (we often have the best hand and are simply protecting our equity, a better hand folds every once and a while, we give ourselves decent 3:1 odds which sometimes gets us to the river which is what we need to chase our overs), and then check the turn (UI or not) and play poker UI on the turn/river (typically giving up).

ETA: It's possible I give up too easily cuz I would rarely double barrel here, especially against sticky players who might put us on AK (which, as it turns out, is exactly what we have). This might be a mistake on my part.

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11-07-2016 , 07:06 PM
Bet 20 on the flop and 40 on the turn. Turn bet more likely to get a sticky villain as it pushes him onto the threshold of commitment. This is the best bluffing flop you could have asked for.

With a stronger read, Check/Calling turn would have merit as V's button call could be a bit wide. I don't think we could call a river given that V hasn't shown a propensity to fire multiple barrels with air. (Also, turn check/call followed by river check looks strong, a bit like pot control with top pair - not overly likely to induce a second bluff with air or value bet from mid-pp.)

Last edited by $FishWreck$; 11-07-2016 at 07:14 PM.
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11-07-2016 , 07:17 PM
I make the continuation bet. If V calls, Unless an ace or king comes, I probably just check and see what V does.
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11-09-2016 , 01:07 PM
Overall, +1 to Gobble/Will

Bet sizing would help greatly. I mean, if you open to $15 and btn calls, the SPR is ~6. Depending on how big you cbet, say $20, just over half-pot, the size of the pot is 70 with $165 behind. Before you put in another bet on the turn, you need to start thinking about commitment threshold.

I'm generally 1/2 potting flop then shutting down. I think double barreling in this situation is spewy.
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11-10-2016 , 06:13 PM
I would probably want deeper stacks if I was going to double barrel this. Loose regs can easily stack off for 65-70BB's with as little as second pair here, especially if your PF raise frequency is higher than most at the table (which it generally is if you are playing TAG). These guys are already glued to the call button, but it doesn't take a GTO nerd to figure out that you probably don't have an overpair everytime if you are raising once an orbit, especially from late position

There's not really any adjustment you can make to this other than making the best hand and betting for value.
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11-11-2016 , 02:41 AM
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Originally Posted by SuperGlue
2 limpers, I'm (400ish) in CO with AKo, make it 15. Looser button calls. Button seems like a looser reg, a little on the weaker side post flop (tends to c-bet and give up) but I haven't been at the table long so take it with a grain of salt. He's done this like 3 times though. Limpers fold.

Flop is Q72r.

I expect villain (200) to float here a lot. These dry flops OOP have been giving me a lot of trouble.

I don't know. Are we routinely firing 2+ barrels here... are we just checking flop? What's our plan against someone who's not a push over?
Super, this situation comes up a lot. As a general rule, you should fire this flop a high percentage of the time. However, not near 100%. More like 80%. You have to include checks in your range to show the reg that you also check when you hit the flop. We need to mix in check calls and check raises to mitigate the call station attitude he has and also to show that you may check or even double check your good hands. When betting you should be betting a strong amount...2/3 or 3/4 of the pot on the flop. If you check raise, you need to raise 3/4 of the pot or more.

The idea is to keep villain off balance and unsure of what range we have. Betting all of these flops all the time is not balanced. You will run the risk of the call station calling all the time. We may make money that way, but you have low fold chances then.

Keep in mind that you miss the flop 2/3 of the time with 2 high cards. Your plan should be made before you ever raise preflop. You play the hand to flop your most likely holding, which is one pair, yet also thinking about missing flops as well and continuing in one way or another.

You will get a better handle on it as you move yourself out of the comfort zone and bet and check more of these hands. Hope it helps some and good luck.
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11-11-2016 , 05:18 PM
I don't mind a bet for value if he floats really wide.

Turn is where you have to read him a bit for the likelihood that he will continue to float with air/bluff into you if you check

The first response in this thread is pretty good tbh
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11-11-2016 , 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperGlue
Looser bButton seems like a looser reg, a little on the weaker side post flop (tends to c-bet and give up) but I haven't been at the table long so take it with a grain of salt. He's done this like 3 times though.
c/c flop
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11-11-2016 , 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by The Rumor
I don't mind a bet for value if he floats really wide.

Turn is where you have to read him a bit for the likelihood that he will continue to float with air/bluff into you if you check

The first response in this thread is pretty good tbh
What is calling here that we beat Rumor? (in your opinion) just wondering what you think is paying us?
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11-12-2016 , 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by timmay28
c/c flop


Is this the extent of your plan?
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11-12-2016 , 01:21 PM
The nut ace hi is better to start by bluff catching with, esp vs described villain. Cbetting starts to make more sense w/anything else...

I mean its pretty self explanatory?
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11-12-2016 , 04:28 PM
1/3 live dont worry about how to play your range worry about each hand independently on how to win or lose the best amount of money on it.

against each player play it in the best way you can think of. since he is a loose player tend not to c/bet and consider trying to catch a bluff or hope he checks back to you.

a c/bet without a good hand is basically a bluff and against loose players being oop it isnt worth it.
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11-14-2016 , 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by schmidts31
What is calling here that we beat Rumor? (in your opinion) just wondering what you think is paying us?
worse no pair hands that float and try to steal the pot.
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