1/3: OOP against a maniac with top pair
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1/3, 2am, very loose and spewy table, most hands blind raised. 9 players.
UTG (35yo Middle-Eastern obese man): blind raises to $10 without seeing his cards (no live straddle)
Hero - UTG+1 (aggressive image, $400): raises to $25 with Ac 10s
Villain - UTG+2 (35yo Middle-Eastern man with beard, unkempt, malodorous; 90/50, postflop is all-in virtually every hand by the river, bluff-raises and check-raise bluffs often, down 3 BIs in an hour, $280): calls
Three additional callers, including blind raiser
Flop ($129): Ad Qd 4d
UTG checks, Hero bets $105
Villain says "You didn't flop the flush", and calls
Others fold
Turn ($239): 5d
Your move? Villain almost guaranteed to shove remaining $150 regardless of what he has based on previous play
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Fold pre.
x flop and seriously consider just folding to action.
x/f now.
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I fold preflop. ATo sucks. It's often dominated (we're in too early position to know if someone has a real hand behind us). Even on A high flops we're often dominated or a worse A has paired their kicker. Plus we'll be OOP postflop most likely. And it sucks even more multiway. If we're going to raise this hand, leave it until LP where we know noone has anything yet, we'll have a better understanding of required raise size, and we'll be in position postflop.
Well, here we go again (similar to your other thread). Thanks to going multiway, we've created a very small SPR. Against the bluffy guy, the SPR is less than 2. Against stacks larger than ours, the SPR is less than 3. All this means is that stacks can be gotten in trivially (easily by the turn, and even with a raise on the flop). In many ways, we've taken all the postflop skill out of the game and handcuffed ourselves by raising preflop. Now, if we're fistpumpy happy about getting it in with TPmehK against these rubes, that could be fine. Anyhoo, board is drawy, we have TP, field sounds like a bunch of morans, and the SPR is trivially small. PSB the flop to shove the turn and lie in the bed we created preflop, imo. Heck, you could perhaps even just check/shove to get stacks in now.
Obviously ugly turn card, but against a bluffer the best play here is to check/call (cuz they'll always bluff) whereas if we bet they'll probably only call with better.
Gstophandcuffingourselvespreflopifwedon'twanttobeh andcuffed,imoG
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you have to check back vulnerable TP hands on the flop sometimes.
Also sizing might be too big.
