Hi all,

V1: he is a pro. Usually plays 2/5 very good player. I think he respects me. He has been playing at the table for an hour. I have played with him before.
He plays a good mix of TAG\LAG. Seen him put people in sick spots.

V2: extremely tight. He has limped AQ in the cutoff before and folded AK to my open out of respect... very nice guy tho

H: I have direct position on the spot in this game. I’m the effective stack with 260. Playing lots in position winning small pots by betting good textures for my range.

OTTH: lady opens to 10, we are UTG+1 with red Kings and make it 30

V2 cold calls

V 1 makes it 100

We jam

Never folding right

Just a GII, V1 gonna be aware enough that V2 is a nit and has enough of a cc+folding range that jamming chunks of hands here is profitable

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For $260, not folding. Esp if V is at all capable of putting the pressure on people. Not an awesome spot, but still have to gii.

Obv going to run into Aces some of the time here.

Let's recap the action. A woman raises, you 3bet, a tight player calls and a good player cold 4 bets. What range do you think the good player is going to call your 5 bet with at 1/3?

Just because you're not going to fold doesn't mean you have shove your chips in so everyone else can play perfectly. I'd flat here to see if I can get some more money in.

+1

What do you put in V2's flatting range? Does he every flat AA? Does V2 have any folds after flat calling a 3 bet? Does V1 have experience with V2?

In general for less then 100BB it can't really be bad. But in specific situations folding could be better. If you can pin V2 on a very strong range for flatting and V1 on an absurdly strong range for coming over the top then the risk one of them has AA may be too high.

Also given the action flatting looks better no matter what. If you shove your only getting called by QQ+ at best and even QQ might find a fold. The raise to $100 is big enough to price everybody out on odds. If you want to play flat and try to get your money in on a non-ace flop.

Id fold, not that close tbh

This is AA almost always

Utg + 1 vs utg raise are extremely tight, you have a tight guy cold call, and pro still cold 4b? This isnt QQ/JJ and not that likely to be AK

All in

Not even thinking about AA before shoveling my chips in the middle.

Edit: especially given description of V. He's no OMC.

I think it's probably better to just stick in the last less than pot sized bet. I can see v calling with worse by levelling himself with all the money out there. Really, I think a strong case can be made that we should shove AK here. That would be my inclination. If he thinks the same he might call with worse pairs, especially playing smaller than normal.

We won't be any less screwed if he or the nit have AA. (I have a feeling the nit is the one who gets us) Well maybe we could fold if the nit shoves after we call, I guess.

If the pro has gotten out of line, the jig is up once we call. He will probably just stack us when he smacks the flop and give up otherwise. Or occasionally bluff us when an ace comes.

So maybe we stack jj or whatever a little more often. But sometimes we might not because the flop is bad for jj.

Keep it simple. We have KK in a big pot oop against a semi lag who moved down in stakes and less than 1 PSB. Just shove.

It sounds like the opener is a poor player who would ignore position and we have been bullying her.

We are probably raising a lot here. Now Mr. ABC nit cold calls. This might be the real danger if this guy flats aa and KK here. Otherwise it's a dream scenario to steal. Needless to say, if we fold kk here, this is an incredible spot for him. Especially with any ace.

Granted, many players never are bluffing here. But he sounds capable.

With non-deep stacks, having position on the spot in the game is fine; as stacks grow deeper, it's more important not to be OOP to deep dangerous players, imo.

Is $10 a small open at your table? It is at mine. I think I might just risk a flat here and hope someone comes after all the dead money so I can flat/reraise. 3betting is obviously fine too, especially if the lady is the spot and unlikely to be folding a hand she's raising UTG. I'd probably make it closer to $40 to offer very poor ~setmining odds since we likely won't be able to fold non-Ace flops.

What does V1 think we have 3betting the spot from UTG+1?

I've only folded KK twice preflop in 4100+ hours, but I'm not sure I could bring myself to do it here. I'm assuming this guy can show up with enough AK/QQ (and tying KK) with all this dead money to have to shove.

Gshoving,althoughnotexactlylovinglifeG

Given that he'd be getting 2.5:1 on a call, this guy wouldn't be able to fold AK at this point, could he? I'm also guessing he might reason we have AK enough of the time where he's now forced to call some big pairs too.

Gshovingisfine,imoG